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Yeah, US is pretty much the only country where this stuff is unlikely to happen. Most European countries will happily punish you for your speech if it offends t

by xyzzyz 3y ago

Yeah, US is pretty much the only country where this stuff is unlikely to happen. Most European countries will happily punish you for your speech if it offends the prevailing sensibilities, religious or secular.

GaggiX 3y ago
>US is pretty much the only country where this stuff is unlikely to happen Not really, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law Edit: reading the replies, some users seem to have lost their reading comprehension skills, the US is not the only country where this would be unlucky to happen.
- sn_master 3y ago
  Not really, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_Unite... Can you name even one case?
- ratsmack 3y ago
  Your link indicates the US has no blasphemy laws, btw.
  - praptak 3y ago
    I think GP point is that it's not the only country where this could not happen.
- frankjr 3y ago
  Better to link directly to [0], which lists a few cases from a long time ago, but overall the situation in the US looks pretty good. In the rest of the world however... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_St...
- xyzzyz 3y ago
  Your link only refers to religious sensibilities, and I specifically mentioned secular sensibilities as well, precisely to preempt this sort of retort. For example, France is marked green in your link, but it very much does exactly what I said in my original comment: prosecutes and punishes people for their literal speech. Here's an example high-profile case from last year. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60022996 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60022996 Can you name a single country in the world which has similarly liberal free speech norms to US? Something close to the Brandenburg v Ohio standard? I'll wait.
  - GaggiX 3y ago
    >Your link only refers to religious sensibilities Yes because that's the topic and "US is pretty much the only country where this stuff is unlikely to happen" is simply wrong, about the rest of your comment you could be right or wrong but I honestly don't really care.
ornornor 3y ago
> Most European countries will happily punish you for your speech if it offends the prevailing sensibilities, religious or secular. O.o Europe is a pretty big place. Most countries will let you speak your mind freely because free speech is a thing. As long as you don’t break any laws (hate speech etc)
- xyzzyz 3y ago
  "You can say anything you want as long as it doesn't break the law" is rather weak standard for free speech, in fact it makes the mockery of the concept. By this token, Soviet Union and North Korea also have free speech: criticizing the Juche is an illegal "hate speech" after all.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    It's literally the definition of it, though. The law is what creates freedom of speech, and one way or another, it sets the scope.
    - xyzzyz 3y ago
      This is not so: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
      - belltaco 3y ago
        That's just fluff. >The court also rejected the plaintiffs’ arguments that foreign national visa applicants have any First Amendment rights when initially applying for visas from abroad https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/federal-judge-upholds-state-department-rule-requiring-visa-applicants-disclose#:~:text=And%20while%20the%20court%20recognized,should%20be%20granted%20significant%20deference https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/federal-judge-upholds-....
oldgradstudent 3y ago
So you're telling me that if I bring, for example, a pig into a synagogue I won't face any legal repercussions?
- EPWN3D 3y ago
  I'm guessing you could be cited for trespassing if you were asked to leave and didn't.
- ericfrazier 3y ago
  If you are found guilty of trespassing and you were trespassing with intent to harm the religion then it might be a hate crime charge too.
Barrin92 3y ago
>will happily punish you for your speech getting drunk in a mosque/house of worship which is probably not this guys property is a very creative definition of 'speech'. I'm not sure why speech in modern American discourse seems to have moved from actual, literal speech, to behaving like a crazy person in places that aren't actually yours. It's more like an 'in your face'-ism, like a license to pester people.

by xyzzyz 3y ago

GaggiX 3y ago

>US is pretty much the only country where this stuff is unlikely to happen Not really, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law Edit: reading the replies, some users seem to have lost their reading comprehension skills, the US is not the only country where this would be unlucky to happen.

sn_master 3y ago
Not really, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_Unite... Can you name even one case?
ratsmack 3y ago
Your link indicates the US has no blasphemy laws, btw.
- praptak 3y ago
  I think GP point is that it's not the only country where this could not happen.
frankjr 3y ago
Better to link directly to [0], which lists a few cases from a long time ago, but overall the situation in the US looks pretty good. In the rest of the world however... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_St...
xyzzyz 3y ago
Your link only refers to religious sensibilities, and I specifically mentioned secular sensibilities as well, precisely to preempt this sort of retort. For example, France is marked green in your link, but it very much does exactly what I said in my original comment: prosecutes and punishes people for their literal speech. Here's an example high-profile case from last year. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60022996 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60022996 Can you name a single country in the world which has similarly liberal free speech norms to US? Something close to the Brandenburg v Ohio standard? I'll wait.
- GaggiX 3y ago
  >Your link only refers to religious sensibilities Yes because that's the topic and "US is pretty much the only country where this stuff is unlikely to happen" is simply wrong, about the rest of your comment you could be right or wrong but I honestly don't really care.

ornornor 3y ago

> Most European countries will happily punish you for your speech if it offends the prevailing sensibilities, religious or secular. O.o Europe is a pretty big place. Most countries will let you speak your mind freely because free speech is a thing. As long as you don’t break any laws (hate speech etc)

xyzzyz 3y ago
"You can say anything you want as long as it doesn't break the law" is rather weak standard for free speech, in fact it makes the mockery of the concept. By this token, Soviet Union and North Korea also have free speech: criticizing the Juche is an illegal "hate speech" after all.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  It's literally the definition of it, though. The law is what creates freedom of speech, and one way or another, it sets the scope.
  - xyzzyz 3y ago
    This is not so: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
    - belltaco 3y ago
      That's just fluff. >The court also rejected the plaintiffs’ arguments that foreign national visa applicants have any First Amendment rights when initially applying for visas from abroad https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/federal-judge-upholds-state-department-rule-requiring-visa-applicants-disclose#:~:text=And%20while%20the%20court%20recognized,should%20be%20granted%20significant%20deference https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/federal-judge-upholds-....

oldgradstudent 3y ago

So you're telling me that if I bring, for example, a pig into a synagogue I won't face any legal repercussions?

EPWN3D 3y ago
I'm guessing you could be cited for trespassing if you were asked to leave and didn't.
ericfrazier 3y ago
If you are found guilty of trespassing and you were trespassing with intent to harm the religion then it might be a hate crime charge too.

Barrin92 3y ago

>will happily punish you for your speech getting drunk in a mosque/house of worship which is probably not this guys property is a very creative definition of 'speech'. I'm not sure why speech in modern American discourse seems to have moved from actual, literal speech, to behaving like a crazy person in places that aren't actually yours. It's more like an 'in your face'-ism, like a license to pester people.