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Hi, instead of trying to discredit the idea that people are being murdered for defending the environment from exploitation, by pointing out the ambiguity in the

Hi, instead of trying to discredit the idea that people are being murdered for defending the environment from exploitation, by pointing out the ambiguity in the word "killed" as used in a Yale e360 article about a report on investigations by Global Witness, why don't you go to the source and do a good faith attempt to understand what is going on? Here's a link to get you started, where they unambiguously use the word "murder": https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/environmental-activists/standing-firm/ https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/environmental-act... There is a lot of evidence about what is going on, beyond just Global Witness, so how about engaging with something more substantive than word play in a third party article? I know it makes people uncomfortable to acknowledge it, but it should be acknowledged.

qup 3y ago
> I know it makes people uncomfortable to acknowledge it, but it should be acknowledged. Is this just something you consider a moral imperative? Or is there a measurable benefit from acknowledging it?
- beedeebeedee 3y ago
  > Is this just something you consider a moral imperative? Or is there a measurable benefit from acknowledging it? Do you ask those questions about other facts? Yes, there is a moral imperative and a measurable benefit about not being in denial about reality.
  - qup 3y ago
    Where do they talk about the benefit? I'm just curious what the effect is.
eric_cc 3y ago
When they say “defender” or “environmental activist” - what does that mean? I’m struggling to understand how you qualify for those titles. Am I a defender if I say I want to protect land or do I have to go further and do something more agressive?
lelanthran 3y ago
> Hi, instead of trying to discredit the idea that people are being murdered for defending the environment from exploitation, by pointing out the ambiguity in the word "killed" as used in a Yale e360 article about a report on investigations by Global Witness That was not my intention. My intention was to discredit a study that provides statistics with no baseline. Statistics with no baseline to compare with are almost always misleading statistics.
- tremon 3y ago
  Your argument is that murdering people is ok, as long as you're not killing more people this year than you did last year? I don't see why the base rate should matter in this situation.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > Your argument is that murdering people is ok, as long as you're not killing more people this year than you did last year? No. The base rate is "The killing of non-activists". Have you ever actually done any sort of controlled study? Read any sort of clinical trial? "This medicine cured 10 people" is not acceptable as any indication of that medications efficacy. There's always "the non-medicated group had $X cures per person and the medicated group had $Y cures per person". IOW, the only time you see a statistic without a baseline is when the person handing you that statistic is trying to mislead you.

qup 3y ago

> I know it makes people uncomfortable to acknowledge it, but it should be acknowledged. Is this just something you consider a moral imperative? Or is there a measurable benefit from acknowledging it?

beedeebeedee 3y ago
> Is this just something you consider a moral imperative? Or is there a measurable benefit from acknowledging it? Do you ask those questions about other facts? Yes, there is a moral imperative and a measurable benefit about not being in denial about reality.
- qup 3y ago
  Where do they talk about the benefit? I'm just curious what the effect is.

eric_cc 3y ago

When they say “defender” or “environmental activist” - what does that mean? I’m struggling to understand how you qualify for those titles. Am I a defender if I say I want to protect land or do I have to go further and do something more agressive?

lelanthran 3y ago

> Hi, instead of trying to discredit the idea that people are being murdered for defending the environment from exploitation, by pointing out the ambiguity in the word "killed" as used in a Yale e360 article about a report on investigations by Global Witness That was not my intention. My intention was to discredit a study that provides statistics with no baseline. Statistics with no baseline to compare with are almost always misleading statistics.

tremon 3y ago
Your argument is that murdering people is ok, as long as you're not killing more people this year than you did last year? I don't see why the base rate should matter in this situation.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > Your argument is that murdering people is ok, as long as you're not killing more people this year than you did last year? No. The base rate is "The killing of non-activists". Have you ever actually done any sort of controlled study? Read any sort of clinical trial? "This medicine cured 10 people" is not acceptable as any indication of that medications efficacy. There's always "the non-medicated group had $X cures per person and the medicated group had $Y cures per person". IOW, the only time you see a statistic without a baseline is when the person handing you that statistic is trying to mislead you.