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Activists have said for years (decades even) that more training does not work. There is very little evidence that training in the way that some politicians have

Activists have said for years (decades even) that more training does not work. There is very little evidence that training in the way that some politicians have called for affects policing at all. Cop City training in particular is not even that, its not for bias training or anything, it’s very much more akin to military training. Activists goals have always been for redirecting some police funding to education, community outreach, different divisions for different problems, etc. There are some that push for abolition but the overall goal of those who actually have been doing it for years has been to address the underlying problems and not to throw more money at an armed force with immunity.

matchbok 3y ago
Which is all completely untrue. Police in America are very untrained compared to other countries. The standards to be a cop are too low. This is just a bunch of middle class "defund" people with little else going on.
- Cupertino95014 3y ago
  .. and raising the "standards" -- that's going to attract more applicants? Explain how that would work.
Kretinsky 3y ago
Is it working? San Francisco (and other cities) has been running such "experiment" and clearly it's becoming a frightening drug hot spot (among other problems).
- Cupertino95014 3y ago
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rayiner 3y ago
I think American cops are trigger happy, but don’t throw around assertions about “underlying problems” without evidence. Lots of places that don’t have a fraction of the “education,” etc., of the Atlanta metro area, and also have cops that are trigger happy as fuck, don’t have the same level of disruption in the social order. Watch a Bollywood cop movie sometime—some of the scenes of “good cops” killing “bad guys” without due process would make a Republican uneasy. Nonetheless, Atlanta has a homicide rate 5-10 times higher than Delhi, India. Hell, the homicide rate in some parts of America are higher than the death rates of American soldiers during the Iraq war: https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/parts-of-chicago-more-dangerous-than-wartime-iraq-study/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/parts-of-chicago-more-da... American social disorder is a unique phenomenon that cannot be waved away as being caused by poverty, lack of education, etc. And frankly it’s kind of offensive to make that comparison. Poor, uneducated people around the world manage to maintain more orderly communities than Americans who are vastly more privileged and affluent in comparison.
- dctoedt 3y ago
  > Nonetheless, Atlanta has a homicide rate 5-10 times higher than Delhi .... Estimated number of civilian firearms per 100 people: - U.S.: 120.5 - India: 5.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g...
  - Cupertino95014 3y ago
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    - dctoedt 3y ago
      > Guns are a fact So are typhoid and cholera — and civilized societies enforce reasonable laws to prevent them from disrupting life. BTW, in case you're wondering: I'm a Texan who has owned multiple firearms for pretty much my entire adult life — I was taught to shoot at about age eight by my dad, with more-advanced instruction a decade or so later, courtesy of Uncle Sam.
      - Cupertino95014 3y ago
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        dctoedt 3y ago
        > unlike typhoid, there is absolutely zero chance that private gun ownership in the US is ever going to be abolished "Unlike typhoid"? We've yet to abolish typhoid; the U.S. gets about 200-300 cases per year, mostly from travelers. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8933273/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8933273/ And both typhoid and cholera have a nasty way of reappearing when natural disasters occur and sanitation takes a hit. But hey, since we can't ever achieve 100% success for all time, then we should just throw up our hands and learn to live with 100% failure, right? Yeah, that's the ticket ....
  - onetimeusename 3y ago

matchbok 3y ago

Which is all completely untrue. Police in America are very untrained compared to other countries. The standards to be a cop are too low. This is just a bunch of middle class "defund" people with little else going on.

Cupertino95014 3y ago
.. and raising the "standards" -- that's going to attract more applicants? Explain how that would work.

Kretinsky 3y ago

Is it working? San Francisco (and other cities) has been running such "experiment" and clearly it's becoming a frightening drug hot spot (among other problems).

Cupertino95014 3y ago
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rayiner 3y ago

I think American cops are trigger happy, but don’t throw around assertions about “underlying problems” without evidence. Lots of places that don’t have a fraction of the “education,” etc., of the Atlanta metro area, and also have cops that are trigger happy as fuck, don’t have the same level of disruption in the social order. Watch a Bollywood cop movie sometime—some of the scenes of “good cops” killing “bad guys” without due process would make a Republican uneasy. Nonetheless, Atlanta has a homicide rate 5-10 times higher than Delhi, India. Hell, the homicide rate in some parts of America are higher than the death rates of American soldiers during the Iraq war: https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/parts-of-chicago-more-dangerous-than-wartime-iraq-study/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/parts-of-chicago-more-da... American social disorder is a unique phenomenon that cannot be waved away as being caused by poverty, lack of education, etc. And frankly it’s kind of offensive to make that comparison. Poor, uneducated people around the world manage to maintain more orderly communities than Americans who are vastly more privileged and affluent in comparison.

dctoedt 3y ago
> Nonetheless, Atlanta has a homicide rate 5-10 times higher than Delhi .... Estimated number of civilian firearms per 100 people: - U.S.: 120.5 - India: 5.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g...
- Cupertino95014 3y ago
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  - dctoedt 3y ago
    > Guns are a fact So are typhoid and cholera — and civilized societies enforce reasonable laws to prevent them from disrupting life. BTW, in case you're wondering: I'm a Texan who has owned multiple firearms for pretty much my entire adult life — I was taught to shoot at about age eight by my dad, with more-advanced instruction a decade or so later, courtesy of Uncle Sam.
    - Cupertino95014 3y ago
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      - dctoedt 3y ago
        > unlike typhoid, there is absolutely zero chance that private gun ownership in the US is ever going to be abolished "Unlike typhoid"? We've yet to abolish typhoid; the U.S. gets about 200-300 cases per year, mostly from travelers. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8933273/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8933273/ And both typhoid and cholera have a nasty way of reappearing when natural disasters occur and sanitation takes a hit. But hey, since we can't ever achieve 100% success for all time, then we should just throw up our hands and learn to live with 100% failure, right? Yeah, that's the ticket ....
- onetimeusename 3y ago