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There are alot of flagged / down-voted comments on here that express a negative view (to put it mildly) against climate activists. The reason for that I think i
by _fat_santa 3y ago
There are alot of flagged / down-voted comments on here that express a negative view (to put it mildly) against climate activists. The reason for that I think is at least in the west, climate activists get a very bad rap because of their tactics.
Every time I hear a story about climate activists it's always: stopping traffic by gluing themselves to the road, gluing themselves other places, spraying paint/tomato sauce/etc on walls, windows, and art. Now I get that this is a small subset of the climate activism but I even then I think that climate activists need to seriously rethink their tactics.
Blocking traffic for example is in my opinion a completely counter-productive way of protesting. Rather than spreading your message, the only message you are spreading is: "I'm blocking traffic, I'm a complete a**hole" and the downvoted comments here reflect that sentiment. If you want to spread your message, you need people on come join your side, and no one is going to want to join your side if you're using these kids of tactics.
- ProjectArcturis 3y agoWhat would you recommend as a strategy that is hard to ignore but not disruptive to average people?
- beebmam 3y agoLobbying
- ProjectArcturis 3y agoHonestly, good answer.
- mikrotikker 3y agoImagine all these obnoxious climate activists went and lobbied politicians. I guess they don't have any grease to put in the politicians palms...?
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoWhy hard to ignore? Is the premise that everyone is ignorant of the special knowledge that only activists have and everyone should be forced to consume? Perhaps most people already know about the subject and are either already making their own changes or simply don't care. In both cases, hard to ignore activism does nothing to advance the cause and only serves to discredit the message by making it associated with unlikable and often seemingly unhinged activists. Of course if the purpose is to impress one's friends, mission accomplished.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoWere the sufforogates easy to ignore when they invented the letter bomb?
- throwawa14223 3y agoThey were evil people but not hard to ignore.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoCan you name a group that was fighting for freedom and change that was never labelled terrorists or traitors? It appeara anyone fighting an existing power structure, will always be accused, no matter what tactics they use.
- throwawa14223 3y agoOur moral systems aren't going to line up to the point I can deliver an answer that will satisfy you. The only moral tactic is pacifistic opting-out. Most activists are as evil as the people they are fighting.
- therealdrag0 3y agoYou only believe in pacifism? If someone is doing evil, no one can morally stop them? That seems rough.
- throwawa14223 3y agoWhy do they need to be hard to ignore? They don’t have a right to attention.
- jmye 3y agoWhat do “rights” have to do with the question? What a weird strawman. You don’t, generally, have a “right” to not be annoyed by protestors, if that’s really the road you want to go down, here.
- throwawa14223 3y agoSure I do. I have freedom of conscience and freedom of association. I am on no way obligated to give them a way to protest that ensures my attention.
- jmye 3y agoNeither of those imply a right to not be annoyed. They imply a right to walk away from the annoyance. They would, similarly, have the “right” (in whatever weird sense the word is being used, here) to craft a plan that would make that difficult. And so on. “Rights” are a bizarre/incoherent way to look at this.
- throwawa14223 3y agoThey don't have any right to my attention precisely because I have the right to walk away. How is that not the moral framework involved?
- throwaway154 3y ago> Nearly nine in 10 killings last year took place in Latin America, with three in 10 occurring in Colombia > Globally, one-third of victims were Indigenous people. It's not about climate activists that 'glue themselves to roads'. What's a global issue for most commenters here starts as a local issue for many.
- fluoridation 3y ago[flagged]
- throwaway154 3y agoPlease read the article.
- fluoridation 3y ago[flagged]
- InSteady 3y agoI see here a horse that has been shown water but does not want to drink.
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoPerformative activism is about showing off one's loyalty to the group, not about enacting actual change. Their actions make complete sense once this is considered.
- mcpackieh 3y agoYou're right, and in this very thread there are climate activists arguing that they should have carte blanche to murder people for their cause.
- Elzear 3y ago> Now I get that this is a small subset of the climate activism but I even then I think that climate activists need to seriously rethink their tactics. All means to fight climate change will always be used, and many people will always find a strawman to justify their inaction, or worse their actions against a better future... I don't think it's fair to put more blame on environmental activists than on the rest of people.
- bluescrn 3y agoEven if you extend 'all means' to exterminating the entire population of rich countries (where most activism takes place), it's not going to be enough to stop climate change.
- Elzear 3y agoThis is true. However, no matter how desperate the situation is, we'll still have opportunities to make it less bad, or much much worse.
- throwawa14223 3y agoMorally this justifies killing climate activists. You’re painting them as terrorists and monsters.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago> climate activists get a very bad rap because of their tactics. If the tactics is effevtive, we call them disruptive terrorists. If the tactic is ineffective, like organising the 30th climate change conference. we ignore them or laugh at them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoIt's almost as if that's by design...!
- Findecanor 3y agoI used to be involved in the climate movement. Of course, the people who are blocking traffic and defacing art are in minority within the movement but they are the ones who are ones getting most of the attention in the press. Just that you are mentioning them, it shows that it is more effective than the information campaigns and lobbying the rest had been doing.
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoThe article was very short and very vague. "2k environmental activists killed in the last decade." Top comment? Spurred a debate about ONE cop shot in Georgia. Most people on this site believe in technological solutionism as savior, therefore climate activists are being annoying over a problem that scientists are totally going to solve any day now and we won't need to adjust our lifestyles even one little bit, so they should just F off. (And I bet quite a few of the people on this site work in adtech, too, and feel entitled to people's attention - funny how that works.)
- mikrotikker 3y agoI see parallels between the agent provocateurs in a protest and this new breed of obnoxious climate activist. Does anyone else?