6 ms·

He shot and wounded a police officer

prepend 3y ago
An environmental activist who shot at, and potentially wounded, a police officer. This is like a drug trial that reports deaths and neglects that people died in a car accident. Yale should be more responsible and work harder to have accurate reports if they want people to use their reports.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  > Yale should be more responsible and work harder to have accurate reports if they want people to use their reports. Why do you think Yale even included the incident that the parent commenter was referring to?
morelisp 3y ago
There is no evidence of this and some recordings of a cop saying it was another cop.
- zaroth 3y ago
  I have no horse in this race, but there is not “no evidence”. A handgun registered to the activist was found at the scene and ballistics from the bullet that struck the officer matches that gun. Later, the crime lab reported finding gun shot residue on the activist’s hands. I think those 3 things together combined with ample witness testimony would typically be considered proof beyond reasonable doubt.
  - hedora 3y ago
    The forensic evidence says his hands were empty (exit wounds though both palms), his arms were raised, and he was probably sitting on the ground cross legged when the cops shot him at least a dozen times. The initial crime lab report showed no gun shot residue, and the forensics imply the police lied about the incident. Witnesses testimony is contradictory. In my opinion, there’s no reasonable doubt that the police murdered him, execution-style. There is reasonable doubt that he shot the officer.
    - NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
      >The initial crime lab report showed no gun shot residue The initial report was only a visual inspection. When you do a more sensitive test, you get more accurate results. There is nothing sinister about this sequence of events.
josu 3y ago
>On April 19, the DeKalb County Medical Examiner's office released an autopsy, which found at least 57 gunshot wounds on Paez Terán's body and ruled their death a homicide; the autopsy also found no evidence of gunshot residue on Paez Terán's hands.[7][15] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Manuel_Esteban_Paez_Ter%C3%A1n https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Manuel_Esteban_Pa... Aside from the cops' testimony there seems to be 0 evidence supporting that Tortuguita shot at them.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Another commenter posted a link that reported they did find gunshot residue: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-cop-city-protester-manuel-teran-death-gunshot-powder-residue.amp https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-cop-city-protester-...
  - woodruffw 3y ago
    I think it's worth noting that this report comes from the Georgia's GBI, i.e. the same people who are accused of killing the activist in question. The previous report comes from a (nominally) neutral source (the DeKalb County Medical Examiner's office). In other words: the accused are investigating themselves, and have produced a report that suggests that they were justified in killing a climate activist. I think that's a pattern we'd normally treat with extreme skepticism; it's unclear that GBI has earned an exception to that.
    - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
      Who should conduct this investigation then?
      - woodruffw 3y ago
        Depending on the investigation's ultimate scope, either the federal DOJ or an independent investigator's office. (It hopefully isn't controversial to say that, as a general principle, entities in positions of exceptional public trust or interest should not be tasked with enforcing or regulating themselves.)
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
hedora 3y ago
Allegedly. Either way, he surrendered to the police with both hands empty, and was shot a dozen times. Then the police officers that were involved lied in the report.
- NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
  Also allegedly, right?

An environmental activist who shot at, and potentially wounded, a police officer. This is like a drug trial that reports deaths and neglects that people died in a car accident. Yale should be more responsible and work harder to have accurate reports if they want people to use their reports.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> Yale should be more responsible and work harder to have accurate reports if they want people to use their reports. Why do you think Yale even included the incident that the parent commenter was referring to?

morelisp 3y ago

There is no evidence of this and some recordings of a cop saying it was another cop.

zaroth 3y ago
I have no horse in this race, but there is not “no evidence”. A handgun registered to the activist was found at the scene and ballistics from the bullet that struck the officer matches that gun. Later, the crime lab reported finding gun shot residue on the activist’s hands. I think those 3 things together combined with ample witness testimony would typically be considered proof beyond reasonable doubt.
- hedora 3y ago
  The forensic evidence says his hands were empty (exit wounds though both palms), his arms were raised, and he was probably sitting on the ground cross legged when the cops shot him at least a dozen times. The initial crime lab report showed no gun shot residue, and the forensics imply the police lied about the incident. Witnesses testimony is contradictory. In my opinion, there’s no reasonable doubt that the police murdered him, execution-style. There is reasonable doubt that he shot the officer.
  - NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
    >The initial crime lab report showed no gun shot residue The initial report was only a visual inspection. When you do a more sensitive test, you get more accurate results. There is nothing sinister about this sequence of events.

josu 3y ago

>On April 19, the DeKalb County Medical Examiner's office released an autopsy, which found at least 57 gunshot wounds on Paez Terán's body and ruled their death a homicide; the autopsy also found no evidence of gunshot residue on Paez Terán's hands.[7][15] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Manuel_Esteban_Paez_Ter%C3%A1n https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Manuel_Esteban_Pa... Aside from the cops' testimony there seems to be 0 evidence supporting that Tortuguita shot at them.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Another commenter posted a link that reported they did find gunshot residue: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-cop-city-protester-manuel-teran-death-gunshot-powder-residue.amp https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-cop-city-protester-...
- woodruffw 3y ago
  I think it's worth noting that this report comes from the Georgia's GBI, i.e. the same people who are accused of killing the activist in question. The previous report comes from a (nominally) neutral source (the DeKalb County Medical Examiner's office). In other words: the accused are investigating themselves, and have produced a report that suggests that they were justified in killing a climate activist. I think that's a pattern we'd normally treat with extreme skepticism; it's unclear that GBI has earned an exception to that.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    Who should conduct this investigation then?
    - woodruffw 3y ago
      Depending on the investigation's ultimate scope, either the federal DOJ or an independent investigator's office. (It hopefully isn't controversial to say that, as a general principle, entities in positions of exceptional public trust or interest should not be tasked with enforcing or regulating themselves.)

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]

hedora 3y ago

Allegedly. Either way, he surrendered to the police with both hands empty, and was shot a dozen times. Then the police officers that were involved lied in the report.

NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
Also allegedly, right?