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It is so crazy how good they are. I love my Apple hardware (M1 Max, four external displays FTW) and tolerate my Apple software (Mac OS).
by neolefty 3y ago
It is so crazy how good they are. I love my Apple hardware (M1 Max, four external displays FTW) and tolerate my Apple software (Mac OS).
- dartos 3y agoThis. Apple just makes the physically best laptops
- kwanbix 3y agoCannot disagree more. ThinkPads are the best laptops (not counting the M1/M2 CPU).
- dartos 3y agoI had a Lenovo think pad in 2013 for school. Carried it all over campus for 1 year. So unless their build quality is entirely different nowadays, I’ll never go near another thinkpad It started literally falling apart in 6 months. One of the usb ports stopped working, the disc tray was stuck, the bottom left of the trackpad was sunken in, and the whole laptop felt cheap and was plastic. A ton of flex in the whole thing. The worst experience I had with an aluminum mac was dropping it while open and having the screen shatter.
- conkeisterdoor 3y agoI've had a ThinkPad 13 2G for about 6 years and it's still working fine, but it most likely didn't get the same level of use/wear that yours did. It's a shame that IBM sold its PC business to Lenovo. Maybe it's just the model I have, but Lenovo's ThinkPads feel so much worse in quality than IBM's ThinkPads. I probably won't get another one when the time comes to replace mine.
- retrocryptid 3y agoThis is the problem with ThinkPad, there are several models with varying price and durability values. Macs are great for people who don't want to think about their requirements.
- ahartmetz 3y ago"Consumer" Thinkpads can be pretty crap. That said, I'll consider a Framework or Starbook next time because even T series Thinkpads are getting thinner and bendier and the keyboards lower and worse.
- kwanbix 3y agoI don't know what ThinkPad you had, but I have had ThinkPads for more than 12 years, working daily, had let them fall on the ground (had to change screen twice), and they still work. There are companies that buy ThinkPads from banks, big companies, after 4 years of use, and they re-sell them and they work for another 10 or more years. Your experience is very weird.
- snvzz 3y agoIf I recall correctly, only T/X/W series are what most consider actual Thinkpads. There's a bunch of other series that are newer, consumer-oriented and do not share the body or traits that the Thinkpad series is reputable for. That said, if I was in the market for a laptop today, I'd look at Framework.
- xNeil 3y agoYou're talking about best laptops. Parent said physically best. I don't think the answer is subjective - Apple most definitely makes far better laptops physically. The M2 Air is astonishingly light, while being made of metal, as opposed to the ThinkPad's (cheap imo, but subject to debate) plastic. Don't see what the argument is.
- retrocryptid 3y agoMy experience with airs is if you try to compile anything with them, the CPU cores peg, the fans go crazy, cpu throttles. (This was with an intel-based air.) My point isn't that Airs are bad, but that they're not ideal for some tasks and saying any machine is "the best" without mentioning what you're using it for is less useful of a statement than you might think it is.
- KerrAvon 3y agoThe Apple Silicon Mac Book Airs are a totally different beast. The Intel ones were unbearably slow for heavy computing tasks. The new architecture is really fast and doesn’t get very hot while being really fast.
- retrocryptid 3y agoRe-read my comment. It's not about the ARM macs. It's about the intel macs.
- jdietrich 3y agoIt depends on your definition of "physically best". Which is better, a Ferrari Daytona or a Ford F-150? Macs are sleek and elegant, but they're built with absolutely no regard for long-term serviceability. Thinkpads are big ugly slabs of black plastic, but they're easy to open, they have a sensible internal layout and Lenovo provide service manuals and spare parts.
- ilyt 3y agoThinkpads (say X1 Carbon) are physically better. Thin doesn't appeal to me, it's disadvantage. Ergonomy is better too. Just CPUs are worse.
- retrocryptid 3y agoWe used to get 40-50 MBPs per week. About 10% were DOA. Good news is they have a very decent support process.
- kwanbix 3y agoI really admire the M1/M2 and the quality that Apple puts into everything they do, that said: * I think metal is a horrible material for laptops (I rather have plastic/carbon as in ThinkPads), * non-mate screens really suck (they only look good in pictures), * and I barely tolerate macOS when I have to use it. But for me, the worst part is the non-choice. In the PC world, you can choose 10000 different PCs. Again, I really admire the M1/M2, and the quality of apple products. But I returned an M1 on my previous job because of what I said above, and went to a ThinkPad X1 Carbon.
- shawnz 3y agoDon't thinkpads use magnesium chassis?
- retrocryptid 3y agoJust don't buy that model. Mine is some form of hard plastic.
- MobiusHorizons 3y agoYes, at least older models do, but it’s in the inside. The outside is plastic. This provides the rigidity with a softer outer finish.
- steve1977 3y agoI think choice is a double edged sword, especially when it comes to building your own PC. Yes, you can choose between many many components, but you also have to choose between them. Apple is a bit like a pre-curated menu.
- fooker 3y agoMetal is pretty great for a laptop that doesn't get too hot.
- kwanbix 3y agoI don't know. I have used many Macbooks, and I really don't like it.