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The biggest problem with Java is... the walled garden, the snob society, the elitist, exclusive culture. Go isn't like that, or at least wasn't when G+ was sti

The biggest problem with Java is... the walled garden, the snob society, the elitist, exclusive culture. Go isn't like that, or at least wasn't when G+ was still around. Nowadays I don't get in touch much with people, but when I create issues Go people are usually not as unfriendly as Java/JVM people.

bsdnoob 3y ago
Imo problem with Java is... JVM because it's quite a resource intensive application itself, memory usage is orders of time magnitude worse than most of the language I've used.
- sz4kerto 3y ago
  Interesting. A Spring Boot webapp (with the runtime dependency injection framework, etc. etc.) serving some static content and exposing some REST endpoints works fine with 32 MB RAM. Is it really orders of magnitude more than other languages, e.g. will a Go-based webapp consume less than 300 kBytes of RAM?
  - wscp-dev 3y ago
    I do believe that number will go down in the coming releases; things like valhalla will allow us to pack data representations much more efficiently after all. the only things that really benefit from object identity are behaviors, not data.
- belfthrow 3y ago
  Forgot that our computers were so resource constrained these days...
- SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
  That's almost always a consequence of poor engineering. You need to consider the runtime when developing any program. With Java, that runtime is more than just your CPU and OS, it's the JVM too.
xxs 3y ago
> The biggest problem with Java is... the walled garden, the snob society, the elitist, exclusive culture. No idea how you have managed to come to such a conclusion, or what kind of experienced you might have had. I have been part of some of the core JSR/groups, as rather independent/unaffiliated (not oracle/google/hp/ibm/twitter) - there was no gate keeping, elitism or anything alike. I'd consider mailing lists extremely professional, respectful, even nice.
- gorjusborg 3y ago
  Agreed, I have never seen a pattern of elitist behavior unique to the Java ecosystem. There are always people like that when groups get big enough. The thing I love about the JVM ecosystem is the engineering culture. The quality of the platform and most libraries is very high, and well designed. I don't love the Java language, but it can get the job done.
- ArandomAccount2 3y ago
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boxed 3y ago
Rudeness scales mostly with the size of the community. If you go to something like Nim you will immediately find them way more nice than Go, just from this.
raincole 3y ago
Java? Elitist...? Maybe it's true for Haskell or Rust. But Java?

bsdnoob 3y ago

Imo problem with Java is... JVM because it's quite a resource intensive application itself, memory usage is orders of time magnitude worse than most of the language I've used.

sz4kerto 3y ago
Interesting. A Spring Boot webapp (with the runtime dependency injection framework, etc. etc.) serving some static content and exposing some REST endpoints works fine with 32 MB RAM. Is it really orders of magnitude more than other languages, e.g. will a Go-based webapp consume less than 300 kBytes of RAM?
- wscp-dev 3y ago
  I do believe that number will go down in the coming releases; things like valhalla will allow us to pack data representations much more efficiently after all. the only things that really benefit from object identity are behaviors, not data.
belfthrow 3y ago
Forgot that our computers were so resource constrained these days...
SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
That's almost always a consequence of poor engineering. You need to consider the runtime when developing any program. With Java, that runtime is more than just your CPU and OS, it's the JVM too.

xxs 3y ago

> The biggest problem with Java is... the walled garden, the snob society, the elitist, exclusive culture. No idea how you have managed to come to such a conclusion, or what kind of experienced you might have had. I have been part of some of the core JSR/groups, as rather independent/unaffiliated (not oracle/google/hp/ibm/twitter) - there was no gate keeping, elitism or anything alike. I'd consider mailing lists extremely professional, respectful, even nice.

gorjusborg 3y ago
Agreed, I have never seen a pattern of elitist behavior unique to the Java ecosystem. There are always people like that when groups get big enough. The thing I love about the JVM ecosystem is the engineering culture. The quality of the platform and most libraries is very high, and well designed. I don't love the Java language, but it can get the job done.
ArandomAccount2 3y ago
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boxed 3y ago

Rudeness scales mostly with the size of the community. If you go to something like Nim you will immediately find them way more nice than Go, just from this.

raincole 3y ago

Java? Elitist...? Maybe it's true for Haskell or Rust. But Java?