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Presumably you start with other drugs and especially weaker opiates. E.g. painkillers in pill form might be relatively harmless (compared to Fentanyl of course)

Presumably you start with other drugs and especially weaker opiates. E.g. painkillers in pill form might be relatively harmless (compared to Fentanyl of course) but are more expensive and harder to get especially after the crackdown on prescriptions. Fentanyl OTH seems to have a great cost/“value” ratio so when you’re already addicted and can’t afford anything else you don’t really have much of a choice. At that point your description of Fentanyl users is probably accurate but there is a long road to get there for most. Also let’s be fair, it’s not like some European countries don’t have serious problems with drug related deaths (even if on a much smaller scale overall). Scandinavian countries all especially bad in that regard (Sweden has the highest number of deaths per capita though Finland and Norway are not that far behind). They are just much better at sweeping these problems under the rug because it’s not as visible (no homeless people).

itsameputin 3y ago
While it's true that we indeed do have a severe drug problem in Finland, it really hasn't been pushed under the rug. We have a working social services system and the addicts have a place they can get their legal drugs from. Also the overdoses per 100k residents are around 5.8, while in the us it seems to be 27.8
fatfingerd 3y ago
> Sweden has the highest number of deaths per capita In Europe? It looks like the US has almost 3X as many. The US' map of deaths looks dominated by economics, while the European one looks like it follows the latitude with seasonal depression.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  > In Europe? It looks like the US has almost 3X as many. Yeah, of course, US is on a completely different scale. > while the European one looks like it follows the latitude with seasonal depression. And/or drug policies. Sweden is significantly more prohibitionist than most countries in Europe. Generally discussion about drug use are also generally much less tolerated and the social stigma attached to it is bigger.

itsameputin 3y ago

While it's true that we indeed do have a severe drug problem in Finland, it really hasn't been pushed under the rug. We have a working social services system and the addicts have a place they can get their legal drugs from. Also the overdoses per 100k residents are around 5.8, while in the us it seems to be 27.8

fatfingerd 3y ago

> Sweden has the highest number of deaths per capita In Europe? It looks like the US has almost 3X as many. The US' map of deaths looks dominated by economics, while the European one looks like it follows the latitude with seasonal depression.

ffgjgf1 3y ago
> In Europe? It looks like the US has almost 3X as many. Yeah, of course, US is on a completely different scale. > while the European one looks like it follows the latitude with seasonal depression. And/or drug policies. Sweden is significantly more prohibitionist than most countries in Europe. Generally discussion about drug use are also generally much less tolerated and the social stigma attached to it is bigger.