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A community is just another name for somewhere you go to for troubleshooting, be it a forum, Stack Exchange or Discord? Unless you have never needed that, and t

A community is just another name for somewhere you go to for troubleshooting, be it a forum, Stack Exchange or Discord? Unless you have never needed that, and that RTFM has been enough.

kamma4434 3y ago
But to ask a question about bitmap rendering do you really need to enter you real name and pronouns of choice? Wouldn’t ‘potato04’ be good enough? I’d go as far as to say that your RL identity is off topic.
- lijok 3y ago
  No you don't. But if you do add your name and pronouns, does that mean you now deserve to get harassed?
  - kamma4434 3y ago
    Definitely not. But I suspect things went ballistic and we are only seeing the debris.
5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
Sure, if you call that community. Bug reports or questions generally do not require mentioning your race, ethnicity, nationality or identity preferences. I've never done it and as a result never had problems with anyone¹. If someone actively drags politics of any kind into a purely technical discussion, and then looks surprised when some bigoted idiot blows his nut — well, that looks like a a completely made-up problem from my neck of the woods. 1: let me mention here that I come from an ethnic minority in my country and for reasons completely unrelated to this discussion am not welcome in many corners of the internet.
- gettodachoppa 3y ago
  > Bug reports or questions generally do not require mentioning your race, ethnicity, nationality or identity preferences. There are people whose reply to that statement would be "Help! I'm being oppressed!" . The sort of people who say being race-neutral is white supremacy. There's a lot of bored people who just want to feel like social activists because they've been taught it's noble (no matter how cringe it is to normal people). And there's no lower-effort way of doing this than causing drama in tech communities where no one cares about your race or gender. It's a perfect place to turn into a battleground, and then if they reject you, you run to social media to virtue signal about toxicity.
- a3_nm 3y ago
  > Bug reports or questions generally do not require mentioning your race, ethnicity, nationality or identity preferences Sure, but pronouns? If someone refers to you using the wrong pronoun (e.g., assuming you're male, which this Vaxry person apparently admits to doing), don't you want to point it out somehow?
RamblingCTO 3y ago
You have no right to a response from a community. Sure, it's a pity if you don't get support from a great project. But it's nothing you're guaranteed to receive. And that can even happen with projects that aren't considered toxic.
- Nevermark 3y ago
  There is a Pacific Ocean between a “right” to a constructive response from a forum, and recognizing the much greater value of a forum that gives constructive responses.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - RamblingCTO 3y ago
    And? They are not obliged to adhere to your definition of a constructive response or the form of community you or anybody wants as long as they stay within the boundaries of law. It's a pity, as I said, but if that's what the existing community wants to do, let them. Who are you to say otherwise?
    - HexDecOctBin 3y ago
      But why should one not feel free on comment upon whatever they see, and comment however negatively they want to? Because we should be tolerant of all? I find it interesting that the "anti-Woke" also end up appealing to same values of tolerance that the "Woke" appeal to. Perhaps it points to the lack of diversity in Western thinking.
      - Nevermark 3y ago
        No need to always be positive. But it seems a lot of people don’t have the skill of channeling their disagreements into respectful reasoned language. Vs. responding to their disagreements with whatever vitriol makes them feel good, but doesn’t express anything coherent. Also, if a forum is about X, there is some value in not engaging in habitual conflict on non-trivial side issues. A free for all zone is fine, but then give the forum a name that reflects that.

A community is just another name for somewhere you go to for troubleshooting, be it a forum, Stack Exchange or Discord? Unless you have never needed that, and that RTFM has been enough.

kamma4434 3y ago

But to ask a question about bitmap rendering do you really need to enter you real name and pronouns of choice? Wouldn’t ‘potato04’ be good enough? I’d go as far as to say that your RL identity is off topic.

lijok 3y ago
No you don't. But if you do add your name and pronouns, does that mean you now deserve to get harassed?
- kamma4434 3y ago
  Definitely not. But I suspect things went ballistic and we are only seeing the debris.

5e92cb50239222b 3y ago

Sure, if you call that community. Bug reports or questions generally do not require mentioning your race, ethnicity, nationality or identity preferences. I've never done it and as a result never had problems with anyone¹. If someone actively drags politics of any kind into a purely technical discussion, and then looks surprised when some bigoted idiot blows his nut — well, that looks like a a completely made-up problem from my neck of the woods. 1: let me mention here that I come from an ethnic minority in my country and for reasons completely unrelated to this discussion am not welcome in many corners of the internet.

gettodachoppa 3y ago
> Bug reports or questions generally do not require mentioning your race, ethnicity, nationality or identity preferences. There are people whose reply to that statement would be "Help! I'm being oppressed!" . The sort of people who say being race-neutral is white supremacy. There's a lot of bored people who just want to feel like social activists because they've been taught it's noble (no matter how cringe it is to normal people). And there's no lower-effort way of doing this than causing drama in tech communities where no one cares about your race or gender. It's a perfect place to turn into a battleground, and then if they reject you, you run to social media to virtue signal about toxicity.
a3_nm 3y ago
> Bug reports or questions generally do not require mentioning your race, ethnicity, nationality or identity preferences Sure, but pronouns? If someone refers to you using the wrong pronoun (e.g., assuming you're male, which this Vaxry person apparently admits to doing), don't you want to point it out somehow?

RamblingCTO 3y ago

You have no right to a response from a community. Sure, it's a pity if you don't get support from a great project. But it's nothing you're guaranteed to receive. And that can even happen with projects that aren't considered toxic.

Nevermark 3y ago
There is a Pacific Ocean between a “right” to a constructive response from a forum, and recognizing the much greater value of a forum that gives constructive responses.
- deleted 3y ago
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- RamblingCTO 3y ago
  And? They are not obliged to adhere to your definition of a constructive response or the form of community you or anybody wants as long as they stay within the boundaries of law. It's a pity, as I said, but if that's what the existing community wants to do, let them. Who are you to say otherwise?
  - HexDecOctBin 3y ago
    But why should one not feel free on comment upon whatever they see, and comment however negatively they want to? Because we should be tolerant of all? I find it interesting that the "anti-Woke" also end up appealing to same values of tolerance that the "Woke" appeal to. Perhaps it points to the lack of diversity in Western thinking.
    - Nevermark 3y ago
      No need to always be positive. But it seems a lot of people don’t have the skill of channeling their disagreements into respectful reasoned language. Vs. responding to their disagreements with whatever vitriol makes them feel good, but doesn’t express anything coherent. Also, if a forum is about X, there is some value in not engaging in habitual conflict on non-trivial side issues. A free for all zone is fine, but then give the forum a name that reflects that.