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> To build a good product you don’t need a kid with Hollywood star complex Agree 100%. > for whom the choice of programming language or tools matters that muc

• ivan_gammel 3y ago
  As a mature professional who stopped counting learned programming languages and frameworks long ago (I’m familiar with Kotlin too), I can tell you that Java is a modern tool by all measures. It may lack some features of other languages and platforms, but it is not features what defines relevance for modern applications. Your advocacy is important, we of course need progress and testing new concepts. Yet what ultimately matters is business value and user experience. Java is pretty good in delivering it and many professionals choose it for that reason, leaving new stuff to pet projects at home. It is not diehard conservatism that lets us make this choice, but a mere pragmatism. For me it is not obvious that Kotlin is better. There are risks associated with less mature platform that already costed one of my teams a couple of wasted sprints. Productivity and quality impact isn’t really noticeable (the biggest factor in those two measures is always communication, not tools).
  • bedobi 3y ago
    > it is not features what defines relevance for modern applications what? zero-effort null safety out of the box alone is immeasurably valuable > leaving new stuff to pet projects at home... risks associated with less mature platform I'm so sick of this argument, it presupposes that Java is the default and anything else by definition is just new, a trend, a fad. Kotlin is none of those things and you know it. Stop begging the question. > For me it is not obvious that Kotlin is better. I mean, if you can familiarize yourself with things like https://proandroiddev.com/kotlin-avoids-entire-categories-of-java-defects-89f160ba4671 https://proandroiddev.com/kotlin-avoids-entire-categories-of... and still conclude there are no obvious benefits then I don't know what to tell you, it's clear nothing is going to convince you