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Yes and is not meat animal flesh? So it is double interesting.

by mongol 3y ago

maxbond 3y ago
Most product taxonomies will categorize them separately. Here's two examples trying to categorize tilapia. Google Product Taxonomy: Food, Beverages, & Tobacco > Food Items > Meat, Seafood & Eggs Note the distinction between meat and seafood. GPC: Food/Beverage/Tobacco > Fish - Prepared/Processed (Frozen) > Attribute: Type of Fish = Tilapia Whereas meat in the GPC is defined separately: Food/Beverage/Tobacco > Meat/Poultry/Other animals - Prepared/processed> ... Your local grocery store probably is organized the same way. Many people think of fish flesh and meat as being different things. Words are made up and all categories are artificial, whatcha gunnuh do.
retrac 3y ago
Technically speaking, tomatoes and chilis are fruits, while strawberries are not fruits (they are fruit clusters - each "seed" is an individual fruit). This is such a point of contention (apparently) that there's a whole "culinary" vs. "botanical" fruit distinction made. Logically, eggs are meat. It's a giant animal cell. Culinarily speaking, meat refers to the tissue of mammals, particularly muscle tissue from pigs and cows and other ungulates. Fish usually excluded, poultry is often excluded, and offal may be excluded as well. It's for the same reason why we call blackberries and strawberries both fruits (even though they are not). Culinarily speaking, they're similar. Used in a similar way. Deer, beef, and pork are interchangeable in many recipes. Beef, chicken, and salmon, are not.
- valleyer 3y ago
  Your overall point is valid and very well explained, but potatoes are not fruits in either sense.
  - retrac 3y ago
    Indeed. I mixed up my nightshades. Tomato! Not potato! Fixed.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  You're dead on about there being different botanical and culinary definitions, but I have never heard fish or poultry being excused as being meat. They are just different types of meat.
  - valleyer 3y ago
    I agree it's a weird distinction, but it's by no means an uncommon one. Christians in the US, for example, often consider fish not to be meat. https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/good-question-why-isnt-seafood-considered-meat/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/good-question-why-isn...
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      In a religious context, that doesn't surprise me, but that's about the only context I think it would hold true for.
AlchemistCamp 3y ago
And “San Jose” translates into English as “Saint Joseph”, a title associated with Catholicism. So was the practice of not eating meat Fridays for much of the 20th century. In this practice, fish was not counted as a meat, just as it wasn’t in the comment you’re referring to! The more closely you examine it, the more interesting you can make this sentence become :)
- maxbond 3y ago
  Is it though? I have to imagine that the way this person describes fish is the least interesting thing about them, I don't know why we are subjecting them to such microscopic scrutiny. It doesn't seem kind or curious to me, it seems like we're mocking them for having a slightly different conception of what category fish go into.
  - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
    You can speak for yourself, but I certainly didn’t mock anyone. I’ve had a multi-decade interest in languages, though. IMO, it’s very natural to find patterns and associations like this and finding different ways of organizing taxonomies is fun. I’ve also thought about why watermelons, pumpkins, cucumbers and bitter gourds all have the character 瓜 in them in Chinese. Not to mock speakers of language, but because I was nerdsniped. Have a nice day.
    - maxbond 3y ago
      I understand being nerdsniped dissecting language, but doing it in front of them and amid jeers is kinda different imho. While I understand you weren't jeering, the context of this subthread makes it pretty weird to me. Have a good one.
  - labrador 3y ago
    I don't feel mocked. I feel people are being pedantic. The Hacker News comment section isn't biology class. "I went to the San Francisco zoo and aquarium and enjoyed the animals and the fish" is a perfectly acceptable sentence is it not?
bagels 3y ago
Some religions use a different system for naming different kinds of edible muscle.

Yes and is not meat animal flesh? So it is double interesting.

by mongol 3y ago

Yes and is not meat animal flesh? So it is double interesting.

Most product taxonomies will categorize them separately. Here's two examples trying to categorize tilapia. Google Product Taxonomy: Food, Beverages, & Tobacco > Food Items > Meat, Seafood & Eggs Note the distinction between meat and seafood. GPC: Food/Beverage/Tobacco > Fish - Prepared/Processed (Frozen) > Attribute: Type of Fish = Tilapia Whereas meat in the GPC is defined separately: Food/Beverage/Tobacco > Meat/Poultry/Other animals - Prepared/processed> ... Your local grocery store probably is organized the same way. Many people think of fish flesh and meat as being different things. Words are made up and all categories are artificial, whatcha gunnuh do.

retrac 3y ago

Technically speaking, tomatoes and chilis are fruits, while strawberries are not fruits (they are fruit clusters - each "seed" is an individual fruit). This is such a point of contention (apparently) that there's a whole "culinary" vs. "botanical" fruit distinction made. Logically, eggs are meat. It's a giant animal cell. Culinarily speaking, meat refers to the tissue of mammals, particularly muscle tissue from pigs and cows and other ungulates. Fish usually excluded, poultry is often excluded, and offal may be excluded as well. It's for the same reason why we call blackberries and strawberries both fruits (even though they are not). Culinarily speaking, they're similar. Used in a similar way. Deer, beef, and pork are interchangeable in many recipes. Beef, chicken, and salmon, are not.

valleyer 3y ago
Your overall point is valid and very well explained, but potatoes are not fruits in either sense.
- retrac 3y ago
  Indeed. I mixed up my nightshades. Tomato! Not potato! Fixed.
PrimeMcFly 3y ago
You're dead on about there being different botanical and culinary definitions, but I have never heard fish or poultry being excused as being meat. They are just different types of meat.
- valleyer 3y ago
  I agree it's a weird distinction, but it's by no means an uncommon one. Christians in the US, for example, often consider fish not to be meat. https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/good-question-why-isnt-seafood-considered-meat/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/good-question-why-isn...
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    In a religious context, that doesn't surprise me, but that's about the only context I think it would hold true for.

AlchemistCamp 3y ago

And “San Jose” translates into English as “Saint Joseph”, a title associated with Catholicism. So was the practice of not eating meat Fridays for much of the 20th century. In this practice, fish was not counted as a meat, just as it wasn’t in the comment you’re referring to! The more closely you examine it, the more interesting you can make this sentence become :)

maxbond 3y ago
Is it though? I have to imagine that the way this person describes fish is the least interesting thing about them, I don't know why we are subjecting them to such microscopic scrutiny. It doesn't seem kind or curious to me, it seems like we're mocking them for having a slightly different conception of what category fish go into.
- AlchemistCamp 3y ago
  You can speak for yourself, but I certainly didn’t mock anyone. I’ve had a multi-decade interest in languages, though. IMO, it’s very natural to find patterns and associations like this and finding different ways of organizing taxonomies is fun. I’ve also thought about why watermelons, pumpkins, cucumbers and bitter gourds all have the character 瓜 in them in Chinese. Not to mock speakers of language, but because I was nerdsniped. Have a nice day.
  - maxbond 3y ago
    I understand being nerdsniped dissecting language, but doing it in front of them and amid jeers is kinda different imho. While I understand you weren't jeering, the context of this subthread makes it pretty weird to me. Have a good one.
- labrador 3y ago
  I don't feel mocked. I feel people are being pedantic. The Hacker News comment section isn't biology class. "I went to the San Francisco zoo and aquarium and enjoyed the animals and the fish" is a perfectly acceptable sentence is it not?

bagels 3y ago

Some religions use a different system for naming different kinds of edible muscle.