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Just because a behavior may end up profitable for its owners doesn’t mean we should be just accepting it as a society I 100% agree with you, but isn’t this how

Just because a behavior may end up profitable for its owners doesn’t mean we should be just accepting it as a society I 100% agree with you, but isn’t this how capitalism works? I do notice similar sentiments to use more frequently on HN lately. Feels like people are actually aware there are problems now but unsure what’s to be done?

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polygamous_bat 3y ago
Random thought, but perhaps trying to enshrine "customer or consumer rights" and "employee rights" as seriously as "shareholder rights" would be a good step.
- TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
  What we have now is quite literally economic apartheid. Poor people are not allowed into the same spaces, not given the same legal and ethical privileges, denied adequate education and healthcare, increasingly barred from owning property (because "markets")... among many other challenges. The model is that you can buy your way out of this slavery if you're talented (ruthless) and well-connected enough. Otherwise you die, and no one - at least no one who matters - cares.
Rooki 3y ago
> but unsure what’s to be done? Can feel Lenin spinning in his tomb from here.
- b800h 3y ago
  Ah yes, Communism! So successful at delivering productive happy societies that they needed walls around their countries to keep people in. Great idea.
  - Rooki 3y ago
    Sorry, was a 1/2 hearted attempt at a joke about his pamphlet titled "What is to be done?", similar to the wording used in parents comment. No need to alert the inquisition here just yet.
    - b800h 3y ago
      Apologies, I'm afraid that one was lost on me!
    - selimthegrim 3y ago
      Probably Chernyshevsky can spin a bit better, Lenin seems a bit tied down.
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
    Capitalism! So successful at delivering productive happy societies that they need to stage coups worldwide to keep people from attempting to try alternatives and fund death squads to secure profits. Great idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras
b800h 3y ago
Stronger national cultural and industrial policies.

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polygamous_bat 3y ago

Random thought, but perhaps trying to enshrine "customer or consumer rights" and "employee rights" as seriously as "shareholder rights" would be a good step.

TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
What we have now is quite literally economic apartheid. Poor people are not allowed into the same spaces, not given the same legal and ethical privileges, denied adequate education and healthcare, increasingly barred from owning property (because "markets")... among many other challenges. The model is that you can buy your way out of this slavery if you're talented (ruthless) and well-connected enough. Otherwise you die, and no one - at least no one who matters - cares.

Rooki 3y ago

> but unsure what’s to be done? Can feel Lenin spinning in his tomb from here.

b800h 3y ago
Ah yes, Communism! So successful at delivering productive happy societies that they needed walls around their countries to keep people in. Great idea.
- Rooki 3y ago
  Sorry, was a 1/2 hearted attempt at a joke about his pamphlet titled "What is to be done?", similar to the wording used in parents comment. No need to alert the inquisition here just yet.
  - b800h 3y ago
    Apologies, I'm afraid that one was lost on me!
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    Probably Chernyshevsky can spin a bit better, Lenin seems a bit tied down.
- CapstanRoller 3y ago
  Capitalism! So successful at delivering productive happy societies that they need to stage coups worldwide to keep people from attempting to try alternatives and fund death squads to secure profits. Great idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

b800h 3y ago

Stronger national cultural and industrial policies.