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That escalated quickly. There are good and less good people everywhere and using language X does not automatically tell anything about you. If anything I think

by x86x87 3y ago

That escalated quickly. There are good and less good people everywhere and using language X does not automatically tell anything about you. If anything I think the cases where you can use Go successfully are only o fraction of the cases where you can use Java successfully. It's not necessarily Java itself but the ubiquity of the JVM and its ecosystem (see Kotlin, see Scala as examplea that have leveraged this ecosystem successfully)

blq10 3y ago
So the ideal blub language will be whatever language is too new to really be the legacy thing with tons of black magic you just have to know, but also too old to include tons of new ideas in language design the programmer has to grapple with. Old languages force you to understand really core issues because the stack is 1m+ lines of code and you need an operating model for all that magic. New languages do the same thing, but it's because half the really good stuff is <experimental> Python and JS are in the current sweetspot, go is up next, and after that, Rust.
riku_iki 3y ago
> the cases where you can use Go successfully are only o fraction of the cases where you can use Java successfully could you elaborate why do you think so, and maybe give examples of cases where Go can't compete with Java?..
- Scarbutt 3y ago
  Libraries for application programming, last time I used Go nothing came close to the Java PDF creation libs for example.
- x86x87 3y ago
  Imho Go is really good for self contained micro-services. The way Go does binaries and the cross-compilation part are great. Otoh, Java has a huge ecosystem. Huge. This plus dependency managemnt make it the first choice in most cases. Not even going to go into the massive innertia given that Java has been around for decades (who is going to rewrite everything in go?) Today most of the time I pick Kotlin which is sort of whatbJava could have been (or maybe will become) with proper investment and care.

by x86x87 3y ago

blq10 3y ago

So the ideal blub language will be whatever language is too new to really be the legacy thing with tons of black magic you just have to know, but also too old to include tons of new ideas in language design the programmer has to grapple with. Old languages force you to understand really core issues because the stack is 1m+ lines of code and you need an operating model for all that magic. New languages do the same thing, but it's because half the really good stuff is <experimental> Python and JS are in the current sweetspot, go is up next, and after that, Rust.

riku_iki 3y ago

> the cases where you can use Go successfully are only o fraction of the cases where you can use Java successfully could you elaborate why do you think so, and maybe give examples of cases where Go can't compete with Java?..

Scarbutt 3y ago
Libraries for application programming, last time I used Go nothing came close to the Java PDF creation libs for example.
x86x87 3y ago
Imho Go is really good for self contained micro-services. The way Go does binaries and the cross-compilation part are great. Otoh, Java has a huge ecosystem. Huge. This plus dependency managemnt make it the first choice in most cases. Not even going to go into the massive innertia given that Java has been around for decades (who is going to rewrite everything in go?) Today most of the time I pick Kotlin which is sort of whatbJava could have been (or maybe will become) with proper investment and care.