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It’s a shame as down people are the best of us.

akoboldfrying 3y ago
I know what you're getting at, and it's a very difficult issue, but if you are advocating against screening out Down Syndrome then I disagree. A question worth asking yourself is: If I had the power to give myself, or someone I love and want the best for, Down Syndrome, would I do so? Especially consider the case where the person is young enough not to remember life before the change.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  I wouldn’t any more than I wouldn’t take away down from someone who was down. I’m not advocating about anything though, I am just stating the world is better with down people in it than without them. They are truly beautiful humans.
  - knicholes 3y ago
    I was nearly strangled to death by someone with Down's. That one didn't seem all too beautiful to me.
  - at_a_remove 3y ago
    You get the filtered ones. A close friend of mine worked in a "home" for people who had to fit all three of "adult," "violently disturbed," and "diminished mental capacity." They were not beautiful humans. While all types were present, the Down's crowd was just as nasty as the rest. These folks get tucked away and the populace gets the high-functioning "nice" ones. Turns out that they're just as lousy as the rest of us.
lazide 3y ago
Would you intentionally give a fetus Down’s?
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  No, but I also wouldn’t have ended our pregnancy had my daughter tested positive. I would have prepared for a different life, and I would have been happy if scared to be the father of a down kid. I’m not here to criticize anyone’s choices in their life - it’s their life. But I think we vastly under value down people. They have more love in their heart than an entire city of people without down. My friends brother was down and we spent a lot of time together, and I’ve since made a point of getting to know the down people I come across in life. They are truly the blessed amongst us.
  - klipt 3y ago
    I believe there are different degrees of it and being a parent to a severe case is a much more stressful life long commitment than being a friend to a mild case.
    - fnordpiglet 3y ago
      Yes you’re 100% correct. My friends brother was a severe case. It was not easy to raise him and he requires life long care. When the parent die I assume he will have to live in a home. He was non verbal and not self sufficient in most anything. Yet, he was always happy and kind, gentle, and loving. Even when things frustrated him he handled it better than I do now. But I will always remember his parents would discuss openly how blessed they felt that he had been born, and he seemed happy to be alive when I knew him. In some ways I think his parents also liked that when their other kids grew up and moved away Jeff was still there with them. As a father I selfishly can identify with that watching my daughter grow and knowing a day is coming when she will make her own way. Anyway, it is definitely complex - it was nice to read in the linked article some number of people are intentionally raising down children.

I know what you're getting at, and it's a very difficult issue, but if you are advocating against screening out Down Syndrome then I disagree. A question worth asking yourself is: If I had the power to give myself, or someone I love and want the best for, Down Syndrome, would I do so? Especially consider the case where the person is young enough not to remember life before the change.

fnordpiglet 3y ago
I wouldn’t any more than I wouldn’t take away down from someone who was down. I’m not advocating about anything though, I am just stating the world is better with down people in it than without them. They are truly beautiful humans.
- knicholes 3y ago
  I was nearly strangled to death by someone with Down's. That one didn't seem all too beautiful to me.
- at_a_remove 3y ago
  You get the filtered ones. A close friend of mine worked in a "home" for people who had to fit all three of "adult," "violently disturbed," and "diminished mental capacity." They were not beautiful humans. While all types were present, the Down's crowd was just as nasty as the rest. These folks get tucked away and the populace gets the high-functioning "nice" ones. Turns out that they're just as lousy as the rest of us.

lazide 3y ago

Would you intentionally give a fetus Down’s?

fnordpiglet 3y ago
No, but I also wouldn’t have ended our pregnancy had my daughter tested positive. I would have prepared for a different life, and I would have been happy if scared to be the father of a down kid. I’m not here to criticize anyone’s choices in their life - it’s their life. But I think we vastly under value down people. They have more love in their heart than an entire city of people without down. My friends brother was down and we spent a lot of time together, and I’ve since made a point of getting to know the down people I come across in life. They are truly the blessed amongst us.
- klipt 3y ago
  I believe there are different degrees of it and being a parent to a severe case is a much more stressful life long commitment than being a friend to a mild case.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    Yes you’re 100% correct. My friends brother was a severe case. It was not easy to raise him and he requires life long care. When the parent die I assume he will have to live in a home. He was non verbal and not self sufficient in most anything. Yet, he was always happy and kind, gentle, and loving. Even when things frustrated him he handled it better than I do now. But I will always remember his parents would discuss openly how blessed they felt that he had been born, and he seemed happy to be alive when I knew him. In some ways I think his parents also liked that when their other kids grew up and moved away Jeff was still there with them. As a father I selfishly can identify with that watching my daughter grow and knowing a day is coming when she will make her own way. Anyway, it is definitely complex - it was nice to read in the linked article some number of people are intentionally raising down children.