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I use Adobe Photoshop professionally, mostly to tweak technical images for educational purposes (e.g., removing extraneous visual data, like wires that partiall

I use Adobe Photoshop professionally, mostly to tweak technical images for educational purposes (e.g., removing extraneous visual data, like wires that partially obscure a component that the viewer needs to see). In its current state, at least, Photoshop's generative AI requires a lot of iterations to tweak the image into what I need (due to them requiring technical accuracy). Charging credits for this would make it nonviable.

PaulHoule 3y ago
I use it for things that are not so technical so I find I get results I like with very little work. For instance after I made a print I couldn’t unsee this white splotch so I had selected it and used generative fill without a prompt to make it go away https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 when I put the corrected one on the wall together with a lot of prints it was not properly centered vertically (had to center the painting + shadow not just the painting) so I had generative fill draw another row of bricks at the bottom. I’m sure they don’t look exactly like the the corresponding bricks on the real wall but they are good enough for wall art It adds up to another reason to keep my Creative Cloud subscription instead of looking for an alternative.
- jclarkcom 3y ago
  One thing that is t clear to most is that generative fill does not consider the contents of the area you are filling so asking it to remove something doesnt do anything - you’d have the same results by leaving the prompt blank
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    yep, I usually leave the prompt blank and get the result I want, I only write a prompt if I don't like what I get without the prompt. The thing is if you want to have it add a spaceship or a pretty girl or something like that to the photo it has to make more background to go with whatever you tell it it draw so it automatically draws something consistent with the scene without a prompt. There is a whole research area about tools that do "editing" so you could tell it to do something specific to an image, say "increase the exposure by 0.2 stops" (not that you need a.i. for that but somebody might rather do that than find the function in the UI) or "add a fourth motorcycle to the three motorcycles that are parked in a row" and that's even being done for 3-d models with NeRFs and point clouds and such but that's not what generative fill does right now.
- gedy 3y ago
  > I use it for things that are not so technical so I find I get results I like with very little work I mostly get nice fill results as well, but they are super aggressive about removing "unsafe results", even when I don't give it a prompt? I'm not filling in nudity or anything, so it's not something I'd pay extra for in this state, I don't need an AI nanny.
ThinkBeat 3y ago
I think users should be able to choose to "run locally" or "run in Adobe Cloud", with the understanding that running them locally could be slow
- Auracle 3y ago
  It wouldn’t just be slow, I’m guessing it wouldn’t run on everything but maybe GPUs with 24GB of VRAM. The newest version of Stable Diffusion is the same resolution and the only way they got it to work on 12GB cards was the split the model in two.
  - thenickdude 3y ago
    SDXL runs fine on my 6GB card, and I hear people manage it on 4GB too. Mine's only a 1060 though, so it does take minutes for a generation, whereas the newer cards can do it an order of magnitude faster.
    - Auracle 3y ago
      I'm sorry, I believe they said they split it for 8 GB cards. The point still remains that it's way faster than local generation. Of course, I wouldn't mind it not using credits if I could use it locally either. Hopefully they continue to improve SD's IP Adapter type stuff so it's as good as Photoshop in that regard.
Sulf1re 3y ago
33 credits a day will be nothing, and at 5usd for 100, that's going to be $10 or more an hour for anyone doing any kind of regular workflow. How munch would it cost you?
canadianfella 3y ago
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gmerc 3y ago
Kinda like making google SERP infinite scroll. It creates enshittification incentives they won’t be able to resist when growth stops.

PaulHoule 3y ago

I use it for things that are not so technical so I find I get results I like with very little work. For instance after I made a print I couldn’t unsee this white splotch so I had selected it and used generative fill without a prompt to make it go away https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 https://mastodon.social/@UP8/110607460518784045 when I put the corrected one on the wall together with a lot of prints it was not properly centered vertically (had to center the painting + shadow not just the painting) so I had generative fill draw another row of bricks at the bottom. I’m sure they don’t look exactly like the the corresponding bricks on the real wall but they are good enough for wall art It adds up to another reason to keep my Creative Cloud subscription instead of looking for an alternative.

jclarkcom 3y ago
One thing that is t clear to most is that generative fill does not consider the contents of the area you are filling so asking it to remove something doesnt do anything - you’d have the same results by leaving the prompt blank
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  yep, I usually leave the prompt blank and get the result I want, I only write a prompt if I don't like what I get without the prompt. The thing is if you want to have it add a spaceship or a pretty girl or something like that to the photo it has to make more background to go with whatever you tell it it draw so it automatically draws something consistent with the scene without a prompt. There is a whole research area about tools that do "editing" so you could tell it to do something specific to an image, say "increase the exposure by 0.2 stops" (not that you need a.i. for that but somebody might rather do that than find the function in the UI) or "add a fourth motorcycle to the three motorcycles that are parked in a row" and that's even being done for 3-d models with NeRFs and point clouds and such but that's not what generative fill does right now.
gedy 3y ago
> I use it for things that are not so technical so I find I get results I like with very little work I mostly get nice fill results as well, but they are super aggressive about removing "unsafe results", even when I don't give it a prompt? I'm not filling in nudity or anything, so it's not something I'd pay extra for in this state, I don't need an AI nanny.

ThinkBeat 3y ago

I think users should be able to choose to "run locally" or "run in Adobe Cloud", with the understanding that running them locally could be slow

Auracle 3y ago
It wouldn’t just be slow, I’m guessing it wouldn’t run on everything but maybe GPUs with 24GB of VRAM. The newest version of Stable Diffusion is the same resolution and the only way they got it to work on 12GB cards was the split the model in two.
- thenickdude 3y ago
  SDXL runs fine on my 6GB card, and I hear people manage it on 4GB too. Mine's only a 1060 though, so it does take minutes for a generation, whereas the newer cards can do it an order of magnitude faster.
  - Auracle 3y ago
    I'm sorry, I believe they said they split it for 8 GB cards. The point still remains that it's way faster than local generation. Of course, I wouldn't mind it not using credits if I could use it locally either. Hopefully they continue to improve SD's IP Adapter type stuff so it's as good as Photoshop in that regard.

Sulf1re 3y ago

33 credits a day will be nothing, and at 5usd for 100, that's going to be $10 or more an hour for anyone doing any kind of regular workflow. How munch would it cost you?

canadianfella 3y ago

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gmerc 3y ago

Kinda like making google SERP infinite scroll. It creates enshittification incentives they won’t be able to resist when growth stops.