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Having worked extensively in Java, Node, and Python, I’ll take the JVM ecosystem absolutely any day of the week. Me and my catheter will be over here deliverin

by lukev 3y ago

Having worked extensively in Java, Node, and Python, I’ll take the JVM ecosystem absolutely any day of the week. Me and my catheter will be over here delivering actual software while you figure out how React 32 broke your transcompiler.

gabereiser 3y ago
Except I’m over here serving 10x the traffic with 10x less cloud spend on CPU and Memory for hosts.
- belter 3y ago
  In what language would that marvel be? I give you the less memory....
  - yankput 3y ago
    Go has goroutines which have better cpu and memory than threads which are commonly used in java. Java is now catching up with go and adding virtual threads which in september 2023 will have the same ease of use as go had in … 2007? But as I wrote above, it migh really get me to check java again.
    - belter 3y ago
      Well is it correct that until 1.14 (so 2020) Go used cooperative scheduling? Because Java Threads, (before the new virtual threads) are preempted by the OS...Go was launched in 2009? Who is doing the catching up?
- c048 3y ago
  Maybe you should upgrade from Java 1.4...
romanovcode 3y ago
> delivering actual software while you figure out how React 32 broke your transcompiler. Say that to enterprise software systems still running on Java 7 or 8 without any clear path to upgrade because their whole systems will break.
- kaba0 3y ago
  It’s almost like there is even a CS law for this exact scenario.. but Java 8 will be around and will still work 10 years from now, plus it is not an insurmountable task to bump it up to the latest version at all. Tell me literally any platform that has a better backwards compatibility story, because honest to God there is simply absolutely none.
  - romanovcode 3y ago
    Java 8 will be out of support in 7 years. It might seem like a lot but for enterprise systems it's nothing.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      Which gives you a lifetime support of 16 years for a single version, with an absolutely sane and doable upgrade path.
  - Noneofya 3y ago
    C++. And it’s hated for the same reasons.
yankput 3y ago
No idea why you are comparing Java, which is BE, to React, which is FE. I think I will check Java once they finally make coroutines… I mean “virtual threads” a stable feature. That actually looks exciting… being able to parallelize almost like in Go 5 years ago.
- the-smug-one 3y ago
  >finally make coroutines… I mean “virtual threads” a stable feature Don't you mean fibers? Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's targeted to JDK21.
  - yankput 3y ago
    Fibers are now called virtual threads

by lukev 3y ago

gabereiser 3y ago

Except I’m over here serving 10x the traffic with 10x less cloud spend on CPU and Memory for hosts.

belter 3y ago
In what language would that marvel be? I give you the less memory....
- yankput 3y ago
  Go has goroutines which have better cpu and memory than threads which are commonly used in java. Java is now catching up with go and adding virtual threads which in september 2023 will have the same ease of use as go had in … 2007? But as I wrote above, it migh really get me to check java again.
  - belter 3y ago
    Well is it correct that until 1.14 (so 2020) Go used cooperative scheduling? Because Java Threads, (before the new virtual threads) are preempted by the OS...Go was launched in 2009? Who is doing the catching up?
c048 3y ago
Maybe you should upgrade from Java 1.4...

romanovcode 3y ago

> delivering actual software while you figure out how React 32 broke your transcompiler. Say that to enterprise software systems still running on Java 7 or 8 without any clear path to upgrade because their whole systems will break.

kaba0 3y ago
It’s almost like there is even a CS law for this exact scenario.. but Java 8 will be around and will still work 10 years from now, plus it is not an insurmountable task to bump it up to the latest version at all. Tell me literally any platform that has a better backwards compatibility story, because honest to God there is simply absolutely none.
- romanovcode 3y ago
  Java 8 will be out of support in 7 years. It might seem like a lot but for enterprise systems it's nothing.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    Which gives you a lifetime support of 16 years for a single version, with an absolutely sane and doable upgrade path.
- Noneofya 3y ago
  C++. And it’s hated for the same reasons.

yankput 3y ago

No idea why you are comparing Java, which is BE, to React, which is FE. I think I will check Java once they finally make coroutines… I mean “virtual threads” a stable feature. That actually looks exciting… being able to parallelize almost like in Go 5 years ago.

the-smug-one 3y ago
>finally make coroutines… I mean “virtual threads” a stable feature Don't you mean fibers? Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's targeted to JDK21.
- yankput 3y ago
  Fibers are now called virtual threads