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What options are there for straight B (or even a mix of B and C) Asian students? Seems that a lot of straight A Asian students had a tough luck with Ivy and ot

by eunos 3y ago

What options are there for straight B (or even a mix of B and C) Asian students? Seems that a lot of straight A Asian students had a tough luck with Ivy and other 1 tier colleges so they need to go to lower tier college which sapped opportunity from other Asian students with less than stellar grade.

uberman 3y ago
Yes, it sucks and is not fair. Elite college admissions is not a level playing field and that is not fair. Basically, this is at the heart of what recent law suits seek to address. In fact, I believe a few years back, uPenn turned down like 100 students with near perfect SAT scores. Affluent families used to be able to game the SAT with prep and tutoring but then motivated families (typically Asians) picked up on that signal and started to game it as well. Same thing happened with first chair violin as I have alluded to. Now that it seems like everyone has great standardized testing and violin solos. The result is that those signals have much less meaning today. You might have picked up that elite colleges are looking for "more well rounded candidates" but I'll leave you to decode that yourself. I'm assuming by Asian you are talking about Asian American, and thanks to some recent legal decisions things are looking a little fairer. It really should never have been a factor but motivated families coopted some of the signals. I want to be clear, no elite college wants to exclude east Asians, it is just that motivated east Asians dominate the gaming of signals like standardize testing that if colleges used only those signals then east Asians would dominate every notable American school. For context there are more east Asian A students than there are total US students. If you are an American with a high school B average I would encourage an applicant who was not a client to apply to selective colleges those with admission rates between 25 and 50 percent. R1 institutions if possible. Make sure to apply to some safety schools as well though. Dont dismiss a state school. They typically have higher acceptance rates with a mandate to educate, great value for the money, and often have vast alumni networks to leverage when it comes time to graduate and look for internships and jobs.
- eunos 3y ago
  I saw some Asian American students with exemplary scores rejected from all UCs (iirc). They managed to enroll in SFSU.

by eunos 3y ago

uberman 3y ago

Yes, it sucks and is not fair. Elite college admissions is not a level playing field and that is not fair. Basically, this is at the heart of what recent law suits seek to address. In fact, I believe a few years back, uPenn turned down like 100 students with near perfect SAT scores. Affluent families used to be able to game the SAT with prep and tutoring but then motivated families (typically Asians) picked up on that signal and started to game it as well. Same thing happened with first chair violin as I have alluded to. Now that it seems like everyone has great standardized testing and violin solos. The result is that those signals have much less meaning today. You might have picked up that elite colleges are looking for "more well rounded candidates" but I'll leave you to decode that yourself. I'm assuming by Asian you are talking about Asian American, and thanks to some recent legal decisions things are looking a little fairer. It really should never have been a factor but motivated families coopted some of the signals. I want to be clear, no elite college wants to exclude east Asians, it is just that motivated east Asians dominate the gaming of signals like standardize testing that if colleges used only those signals then east Asians would dominate every notable American school. For context there are more east Asian A students than there are total US students. If you are an American with a high school B average I would encourage an applicant who was not a client to apply to selective colleges those with admission rates between 25 and 50 percent. R1 institutions if possible. Make sure to apply to some safety schools as well though. Dont dismiss a state school. They typically have higher acceptance rates with a mandate to educate, great value for the money, and often have vast alumni networks to leverage when it comes time to graduate and look for internships and jobs.

eunos 3y ago
I saw some Asian American students with exemplary scores rejected from all UCs (iirc). They managed to enroll in SFSU.