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> There's really no way for them to recover the lost trust. As many have discovered throughout the years, Companies don't need "trust" to be profitable Ubisof

> There's really no way for them to recover the lost trust. As many have discovered throughout the years, Companies don't need "trust" to be profitable Ubisoft has been a laughing stock for a decade, EA still holds the record for lowest rated reddit comment (feel your pride and accomplishment), and "it just works" in Bethesda world

blibble 3y ago
gamers can't boycott, that's true Unity's clients aren't gamers, they're businesses you'd have to be insane to build a business on unity now
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  ^ Businesses and even solo developers look at their options much more closely. They aren't buying a few hours of fun, they are choosing the vector for their livelihood.
AussieWog93 3y ago
Honestly, I think it's a vocal minority of people who shit on Ubisoft, EA, Activision etc. The average person either doesn't know who they are or recognises them as the company that made some prior game they enjoy.
ilc 3y ago
Bethesda you know what you are buying into, and at least, it is a simple transaction. You know the game will run like ^$^@% for a while, if not for good.. You know the modders will fix it, and smart folks will wait for the sales on their titles, because by the time they go on sale, they'll be well supported by mods, and less buggy. So.. I'd keep them clear of the other sleazoids ;).
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  I see the sentiment a lot, but its not really that simple. - The majority of BGS players plays without the unnofficial patch, much less other mods to fix the game. - In exchange for all that I feel you got masterful worldbuilding and some gem side quests to discover, but I think that factor is diminishing over time. The writing in Starfield, in particular, is really bad, and it doesn't seem like the little gems are sprinkled with enough frequency to make up for it. And there is no excuse of "this was a rushed lemon MMO side project" like 76, Starfield is supposed to be BGS at their best. - This kind of exchange is not unique anymore, as BGS is no longer the only giga action RPG on the block. You could say the same thing about ME Andromeda and Asscreed Odyssey, for instance, but I feel the filler/reward ratio is much higher in those games.
  - ilc 3y ago
    Personally, I enjoy CP2077, and the mods there at least as much as FO4. Once again, it is knowing what you are buying into to. I held off on Starfield. After hearing about some of the clusterfsck that the development had been... I hope it has a redemption arc.
vunderba 3y ago
That's because it's not the consumers who are the ones who hold the power, it's the labor force. If you're a conscientious engineer working as a game dev for EA or Ubisoft, you should reconsider your options. It's likely there are plenty of options for one of your caliber.

blibble 3y ago

gamers can't boycott, that's true Unity's clients aren't gamers, they're businesses you'd have to be insane to build a business on unity now

brucethemoose2 3y ago
^ Businesses and even solo developers look at their options much more closely. They aren't buying a few hours of fun, they are choosing the vector for their livelihood.

AussieWog93 3y ago

Honestly, I think it's a vocal minority of people who shit on Ubisoft, EA, Activision etc. The average person either doesn't know who they are or recognises them as the company that made some prior game they enjoy.

ilc 3y ago

Bethesda you know what you are buying into, and at least, it is a simple transaction. You know the game will run like ^$^@% for a while, if not for good.. You know the modders will fix it, and smart folks will wait for the sales on their titles, because by the time they go on sale, they'll be well supported by mods, and less buggy. So.. I'd keep them clear of the other sleazoids ;).

brucethemoose2 3y ago
I see the sentiment a lot, but its not really that simple. - The majority of BGS players plays without the unnofficial patch, much less other mods to fix the game. - In exchange for all that I feel you got masterful worldbuilding and some gem side quests to discover, but I think that factor is diminishing over time. The writing in Starfield, in particular, is really bad, and it doesn't seem like the little gems are sprinkled with enough frequency to make up for it. And there is no excuse of "this was a rushed lemon MMO side project" like 76, Starfield is supposed to be BGS at their best. - This kind of exchange is not unique anymore, as BGS is no longer the only giga action RPG on the block. You could say the same thing about ME Andromeda and Asscreed Odyssey, for instance, but I feel the filler/reward ratio is much higher in those games.
- ilc 3y ago
  Personally, I enjoy CP2077, and the mods there at least as much as FO4. Once again, it is knowing what you are buying into to. I held off on Starfield. After hearing about some of the clusterfsck that the development had been... I hope it has a redemption arc.

vunderba 3y ago

That's because it's not the consumers who are the ones who hold the power, it's the labor force. If you're a conscientious engineer working as a game dev for EA or Ubisoft, you should reconsider your options. It's likely there are plenty of options for one of your caliber.