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Absolutely, great question. Looking at any one policy there can be differences, I'm more thinking about the broad vision for each party. Im not actually famili

Absolutely, great question. Looking at any one policy there can be differences, I'm more thinking about the broad vision for each party. Im not actually familiar with the specific LGBT protections that Republicans may want to roll back, or whether it's political pandering versus proposed legislation. If you don't mind expanding on what they're targeting I'd be interested to hear more. A separate, though just as divisive topic, is abortion rights. I've watched for 20+ years as each side screams across the aisle and yes they have different opinions but at the end of the day it has always seemed to me a battle over where to draw the line. Both sides support new legislation, and therefore new governmental reach, defining what a person can do with their body. They can't agree on when an unborn child is considered human and must be protected, but both sides want the government to tell us what we can or can't do. Growing up in the 90s the parties were always pitched as big government vs small government, balanced budget vs spending for social causes, war hawks vs anti-war, etc. My opinion at this point is that we have two parties that are different in degree but not kind - both are pro-war, big government, money printing machines that have done a great job at keeping up a front of a two party system. This is why I say the left/right split seems lost here today, I don't see any divide in core principals driving the parties. Granted, though, that for anyone who is a one or two issue voter there can be very different policies that would push one to either side.

kemotep 3y ago
Sure specific legislation and court rulings that have passed that target LGBT people include things like: * Bans on teaching about the existence of LGBT people[0]. * Bathroom bills[1] that could call for genital inspections that would require this person[2] to use a women’s restroom because they were born with a vagina. * Democrats passing (and majority of Republicans opposing) The Respect for Marriage Act, which enshrines into Federal law the right to marriage, regardless of religion, race, gender, or sexual orientation. * Bans on gender affirmative care but only for LGBT people, not cisgender individuals.[4] So these are actually laws, beyond just rhetoric, these are actions that discriminate. There are stark differences that are irreconcilable between the parties. One supports LGBT rights the other opposes. Your point about Abortion is baffling. You are claiming that one group wanting to not make abortion illegal is engaging in government overreach? That doesn’t make any sense to me. The approaches the two parties take to war, immigration, government spending, taxes and so on are different if you look into it. There are a lot of similarities. American hegemony is going to be very similar even if a third party had control of the white house. Even thinking both parties are the same is something similar to both the left and right do! So are communists and neonazis the same because they both believe America is bad and both parties are the same? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_curriculum_laws_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_curriculum_laws_in_t... [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom_bill?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom_bill?wprov=sfti1 [2]:http://thefightmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BuckAngel1-s.jpg http://thefightmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BuckAngel1... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-expected-pass-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage-2022-12-08/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-expected-pass-b... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_Unit...
- flagrant_taco 3y ago
  Thanks for the specific sources related to LGBT legislation! If have to dig much deeper to really understand the bills either proposed or passed, but in general I think this aligns with my view that both parties seem to be aligned with having a larger government. They are talking about different details, but both believe that fundamentally the federal government should be allowed to decide these topics in the first place. Personally I'd argue that no level of government has any business in my bedroom or my pants, but that's an argument for another day. My original point really wasn't meant to say that both parties have the exact same view on any one specific political football, if that's how it came across then I explained myself poorly. My point was simply that, in my opinion, we've lost the classic left/right divide that was trying to find a balance between government powers and individual freedoms. Both parties in the US believe the government should have a say over nearly everything, from who you can love to what food you can eat. We don't have an option for a party that wishes to see keep government small by prioritizing individual rights. I may very well just misunderstand the core of the elft/right divide, but I was always led to believe that it came down to how big the government was, how much it spent, and what we can be told is/isn't allowed. With regards to my point about abortion, it's much too detailed to put here and was probably an unhelpful distraction. But I don't see either party arguing that abortion should never be illegal, save for a few extremists both parties seem to agree that abortion should be illegal at some point and only disagree where that point is. Meaning, they disagree about whether that line is conception, birth, or sometime in between but both parties believe that they have the right to legislate what a pregnant mother can or can't do.
  - kemotep 3y ago
    I am interested in hearing your opinion about Abortion. Specifically this November in Ohio, they are voting on an amendment to the state constitution that would add the right to reproductive health care including but not limited to abortion. You can read more about the specifics here[0]. My questions would be the following: Do you believe that this is an expansion of government power? Or is this an example of limiting government control over people? How are rights (of any kind) protected in a society, if you would support the right but not specifically laws like these? [0]: https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Issue_1,_Right_to_Make_Reproductive_Decisions_Including_Abortion_Initiative_(2023)#Text_of_measure https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Issue_1,_Right_to_Make_Reproduc...

kemotep 3y ago

Sure specific legislation and court rulings that have passed that target LGBT people include things like: * Bans on teaching about the existence of LGBT people[0]. * Bathroom bills[1] that could call for genital inspections that would require this person[2] to use a women’s restroom because they were born with a vagina. * Democrats passing (and majority of Republicans opposing) The Respect for Marriage Act, which enshrines into Federal law the right to marriage, regardless of religion, race, gender, or sexual orientation. * Bans on gender affirmative care but only for LGBT people, not cisgender individuals.[4] So these are actually laws, beyond just rhetoric, these are actions that discriminate. There are stark differences that are irreconcilable between the parties. One supports LGBT rights the other opposes. Your point about Abortion is baffling. You are claiming that one group wanting to not make abortion illegal is engaging in government overreach? That doesn’t make any sense to me. The approaches the two parties take to war, immigration, government spending, taxes and so on are different if you look into it. There are a lot of similarities. American hegemony is going to be very similar even if a third party had control of the white house. Even thinking both parties are the same is something similar to both the left and right do! So are communists and neonazis the same because they both believe America is bad and both parties are the same? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_curriculum_laws_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_curriculum_laws_in_t... [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom_bill?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom_bill?wprov=sfti1 [2]:http://thefightmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BuckAngel1-s.jpg http://thefightmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BuckAngel1... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-expected-pass-bill-protecting-same-sex-marriage-2022-12-08/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-expected-pass-b... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_Unit...

flagrant_taco 3y ago
Thanks for the specific sources related to LGBT legislation! If have to dig much deeper to really understand the bills either proposed or passed, but in general I think this aligns with my view that both parties seem to be aligned with having a larger government. They are talking about different details, but both believe that fundamentally the federal government should be allowed to decide these topics in the first place. Personally I'd argue that no level of government has any business in my bedroom or my pants, but that's an argument for another day. My original point really wasn't meant to say that both parties have the exact same view on any one specific political football, if that's how it came across then I explained myself poorly. My point was simply that, in my opinion, we've lost the classic left/right divide that was trying to find a balance between government powers and individual freedoms. Both parties in the US believe the government should have a say over nearly everything, from who you can love to what food you can eat. We don't have an option for a party that wishes to see keep government small by prioritizing individual rights. I may very well just misunderstand the core of the elft/right divide, but I was always led to believe that it came down to how big the government was, how much it spent, and what we can be told is/isn't allowed. With regards to my point about abortion, it's much too detailed to put here and was probably an unhelpful distraction. But I don't see either party arguing that abortion should never be illegal, save for a few extremists both parties seem to agree that abortion should be illegal at some point and only disagree where that point is. Meaning, they disagree about whether that line is conception, birth, or sometime in between but both parties believe that they have the right to legislate what a pregnant mother can or can't do.
- kemotep 3y ago
  I am interested in hearing your opinion about Abortion. Specifically this November in Ohio, they are voting on an amendment to the state constitution that would add the right to reproductive health care including but not limited to abortion. You can read more about the specifics here[0]. My questions would be the following: Do you believe that this is an expansion of government power? Or is this an example of limiting government control over people? How are rights (of any kind) protected in a society, if you would support the right but not specifically laws like these? [0]: https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Issue_1,_Right_to_Make_Reproductive_Decisions_Including_Abortion_Initiative_(2023)#Text_of_measure https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Issue_1,_Right_to_Make_Reproduc...