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I have a kind of meta point on this whole discussion. We like metrics because they are not subjective. We don’t like metrics because they tend to be insufficie
by osigurdson 3y ago
I have a kind of meta point on this whole discussion.
We like metrics because they are not subjective. We don’t like metrics because they tend to be insufficiently specified optimization problems (I.e. we are looking at 3 variables when we really need to look at 1000+). We dance around this with “Goodhart’s law” type statements, but this is blatantly insufficient.
My hypothesis is the brain is obviously working with raw data - photons and sound pressure changes fundamentally and is actually solving the broader optimization problem- albeit subconsciously in the immensely powerful associative cortex. If we were to present the same problem to AI, it would end up being similarly subjective - influenced by its training and structure.
In summary, human intuition is currently the most powerful computational device. It should be objectively trusted over and above any gameable metric. Thus only non-gameable metrics should be accepted and intense scrutiny should be place on all metrics used.
- kurthr 3y agoI find it weird that many businesses/organizations/people try to come up with one metric to keep things simple (and to be easy to optimize), but are then surprised by Goodhart's law. It's important to have multiple metrics that measure different things (and are orthogonal enough to make it hard to optimize them all) and then use judgement to decide when something has gone too far on one path. I look at ASICs which might have Ops/sec, Power, Cost, TTM (even those could be broken down to MACs/FLOPs, maxTemp, Design vs Unit cost, TikTok-cycle vs manhours). Perhaps the organization even wants to change direction, but the "one" sclerotic metric makes it hard to do that.
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