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There's really no way for them to recover the lost trust. Even if they backtrack everything the mistrust will be there. The only way out in the end might be to

by htk 3y ago

There's really no way for them to recover the lost trust. Even if they backtrack everything the mistrust will be there. The only way out in the end might be to open source the engine.

WJW 3y ago
> The only way out in the end might be to open source the engine. The problem for unity is that it costs a ton of money to develop the engine and not enough people pay them for it. Open sourcing the engine does not help with that problem and might even make it worse.
throaway3nfn 3y ago
> The only way out in the end might be to open source the engine. Do you have faith they know to monetize an open source engine? Wouldn't that actually expedite the fall in their case?
- htk 3y ago
  You're probably right, but when I put myself in the game developer's shoes I can't think of any other way for me to touch Unity again.
jayd16 3y ago
I don't think that would solve it for them at all. They'll still want to lock you in with their services and whatnot. Besides, they probably don't have the rights to open source the engine. They should just cap their take at "up to 5% rev share". At least at that point there's no worry about runaway costs.
NooneAtAll3 3y ago
> There's really no way for them to recover the lost trust. As many have discovered throughout the years, Companies don't need "trust" to be profitable Ubisoft has been a laughing stock for a decade, EA still holds the record for lowest rated reddit comment (feel your pride and accomplishment), and "it just works" in Bethesda world
- blibble 3y ago
  gamers can't boycott, that's true Unity's clients aren't gamers, they're businesses you'd have to be insane to build a business on unity now
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    ^ Businesses and even solo developers look at their options much more closely. They aren't buying a few hours of fun, they are choosing the vector for their livelihood.
- AussieWog93 3y ago
  Honestly, I think it's a vocal minority of people who shit on Ubisoft, EA, Activision etc. The average person either doesn't know who they are or recognises them as the company that made some prior game they enjoy.
- ilc 3y ago
  Bethesda you know what you are buying into, and at least, it is a simple transaction. You know the game will run like ^$^@% for a while, if not for good.. You know the modders will fix it, and smart folks will wait for the sales on their titles, because by the time they go on sale, they'll be well supported by mods, and less buggy. So.. I'd keep them clear of the other sleazoids ;).
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    I see the sentiment a lot, but its not really that simple. - The majority of BGS players plays without the unnofficial patch, much less other mods to fix the game. - In exchange for all that I feel you got masterful worldbuilding and some gem side quests to discover, but I think that factor is diminishing over time. The writing in Starfield, in particular, is really bad, and it doesn't seem like the little gems are sprinkled with enough frequency to make up for it. And there is no excuse of "this was a rushed lemon MMO side project" like 76, Starfield is supposed to be BGS at their best. - This kind of exchange is not unique anymore, as BGS is no longer the only giga action RPG on the block. You could say the same thing about ME Andromeda and Asscreed Odyssey, for instance, but I feel the filler/reward ratio is much higher in those games.
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by htk 3y ago

There's really no way for them to recover the lost trust. Even if they backtrack everything the mistrust will be there. The only way out in the end might be to open source the engine.

WJW 3y ago

> The only way out in the end might be to open source the engine. The problem for unity is that it costs a ton of money to develop the engine and not enough people pay them for it. Open sourcing the engine does not help with that problem and might even make it worse.

throaway3nfn 3y ago

> The only way out in the end might be to open source the engine. Do you have faith they know to monetize an open source engine? Wouldn't that actually expedite the fall in their case?

htk 3y ago
You're probably right, but when I put myself in the game developer's shoes I can't think of any other way for me to touch Unity again.

jayd16 3y ago

I don't think that would solve it for them at all. They'll still want to lock you in with their services and whatnot. Besides, they probably don't have the rights to open source the engine. They should just cap their take at "up to 5% rev share". At least at that point there's no worry about runaway costs.

NooneAtAll3 3y ago

> There's really no way for them to recover the lost trust. As many have discovered throughout the years, Companies don't need "trust" to be profitable Ubisoft has been a laughing stock for a decade, EA still holds the record for lowest rated reddit comment (feel your pride and accomplishment), and "it just works" in Bethesda world

blibble 3y ago
gamers can't boycott, that's true Unity's clients aren't gamers, they're businesses you'd have to be insane to build a business on unity now
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  ^ Businesses and even solo developers look at their options much more closely. They aren't buying a few hours of fun, they are choosing the vector for their livelihood.
AussieWog93 3y ago
Honestly, I think it's a vocal minority of people who shit on Ubisoft, EA, Activision etc. The average person either doesn't know who they are or recognises them as the company that made some prior game they enjoy.
ilc 3y ago
Bethesda you know what you are buying into, and at least, it is a simple transaction. You know the game will run like ^$^@% for a while, if not for good.. You know the modders will fix it, and smart folks will wait for the sales on their titles, because by the time they go on sale, they'll be well supported by mods, and less buggy. So.. I'd keep them clear of the other sleazoids ;).
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  I see the sentiment a lot, but its not really that simple. - The majority of BGS players plays without the unnofficial patch, much less other mods to fix the game. - In exchange for all that I feel you got masterful worldbuilding and some gem side quests to discover, but I think that factor is diminishing over time. The writing in Starfield, in particular, is really bad, and it doesn't seem like the little gems are sprinkled with enough frequency to make up for it. And there is no excuse of "this was a rushed lemon MMO side project" like 76, Starfield is supposed to be BGS at their best. - This kind of exchange is not unique anymore, as BGS is no longer the only giga action RPG on the block. You could say the same thing about ME Andromeda and Asscreed Odyssey, for instance, but I feel the filler/reward ratio is much higher in those games.

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