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Make it known you will not lie. If you're pressured or pushed to lie, resign. If you're fired for not lying, contact an attorney. The world only gets better if

Make it known you will not lie. If you're pressured or pushed to lie, resign. If you're fired for not lying, contact an attorney. The world only gets better if people do the right thing whenever possible. The right thing here is not to assist with immoral behavior and deceit.

salawat 3y ago
This. And yes, I've walked that walk.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  What happened? Were you fired?
  - salawat 3y ago
    Once, early on? Yes. Paperwork said laid off, but conversations around the time about how precarious the point in my career that I was at painted a different picture. Not going into gorey details. Suffice to say, I will not lie. I will not engage in the calling of a spade anything other than what it is either. Results and actions speak louder than words, and with mine I truly seek to never through my actions to make the world worse. Still find jobs. Still build things. Still help worthwhile projects get pff the ground. Gotten pretty good at it too. Still not afraid to walk out the door the minute things begin smelling of fish.
- ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
  So have I. I was not fired. In fact, it probably helped my career. It was scary. I was a pretty brand-new, low-level manager, at the time. But I also live a life of rigorous Integrity, and will resign, instead of doing unethical stuff.
  - tavavex 3y ago
    How did it help your career? Did the people who wanted their asses to be covered seek retribution?
    - ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
      No, my boss actually developed respect for me, for standing up to him. I won't go into detail, as I don't want to cause trouble, even in reflection. But I was not always good. I learned my lesson, from "going along," years earlier, at a defense contractor.
LordShredda 3y ago
It sucks to get fired, but you might get severance or something instead of lying and having to deal with the government in court
- snapetom 3y ago
  It's much easier to get legal representation and compensation if you are fired. That's because, assuming the paper trail is there, the damages are also there. Being pressured into resigning is harder to prove damages-wise. "Pressuring" is subjective.
lowbloodsugar 3y ago
Don’t resign for this. Just refuse to do it. In writing. If they don’t fire you, you will still need to look for another job.

salawat 3y ago

This. And yes, I've walked that walk.

lostlogin 3y ago
What happened? Were you fired?
- salawat 3y ago
  Once, early on? Yes. Paperwork said laid off, but conversations around the time about how precarious the point in my career that I was at painted a different picture. Not going into gorey details. Suffice to say, I will not lie. I will not engage in the calling of a spade anything other than what it is either. Results and actions speak louder than words, and with mine I truly seek to never through my actions to make the world worse. Still find jobs. Still build things. Still help worthwhile projects get pff the ground. Gotten pretty good at it too. Still not afraid to walk out the door the minute things begin smelling of fish.
ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
So have I. I was not fired. In fact, it probably helped my career. It was scary. I was a pretty brand-new, low-level manager, at the time. But I also live a life of rigorous Integrity, and will resign, instead of doing unethical stuff.
- tavavex 3y ago
  How did it help your career? Did the people who wanted their asses to be covered seek retribution?
  - ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
    No, my boss actually developed respect for me, for standing up to him. I won't go into detail, as I don't want to cause trouble, even in reflection. But I was not always good. I learned my lesson, from "going along," years earlier, at a defense contractor.

LordShredda 3y ago

It sucks to get fired, but you might get severance or something instead of lying and having to deal with the government in court

snapetom 3y ago
It's much easier to get legal representation and compensation if you are fired. That's because, assuming the paper trail is there, the damages are also there. Being pressured into resigning is harder to prove damages-wise. "Pressuring" is subjective.

lowbloodsugar 3y ago

Don’t resign for this. Just refuse to do it. In writing. If they don’t fire you, you will still need to look for another job.