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The Wikipedia article for Lakhdatta is at “Syed Ahmad Sultan”.[0] Thanks for reminding me of him, I definitely saw his image hung in businesses in India whose p

The Wikipedia article for Lakhdatta is at “Syed Ahmad Sultan”.[0] Thanks for reminding me of him, I definitely saw his image hung in businesses in India whose proprietors otherwise seemed very Hindu or Sikh. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ahmad_Sultan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ahmad_Sultan

alephnerd 3y ago
Yep. He's commonly revered in the Pir Panjal range. For some reason, Hazarajat, Derajat, Jammu, Half of Himachal, Gurdaspur District, and Sialkot area all revere him. Heck, even the traditional language in Swat (Torwali) before it became Pakhto speaking in the 19th century is intelligible for anyone who can speak a Western Pahari language (eg. Dogra, Hindko, "Pahari") after seeing my dad surprisingly understand a BBC documentary about the Swat insurgency back in the 2010s. I wanted to dig into the cultural connection a bit deeper in college, but the RoI on graduate education on Sociology or Anthropology ain't there
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  My (Ahmedi) family is originally from Gurdaspur district, and while we had a picture of Nanak around, I don’t remember hearing about Syed Ahmad Sultan (although I have heard of him by the name of Sakhi Sarwar) but rather Data Ganj Bakhsh, Hz. Khizr (especially), Bulleh Shah and the “Char Yaar”
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Make sense! Khwaja Khizr and Ganj Baksh are also venerated in my area - often at the same time with Sakai Sarwar (eg. This random whatsapp forward - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XFZuubbGNXQ?feature=share https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XFZuubbGNXQ?feature=share) By Gurdaspur, I meant the undivided Gurdaspur division, which included the hill regions of what's now Pathankot District in East Punjab and I think some of northern regions in West Punjab
    - selimthegrim 3y ago
      You are thinking of Shakargarh tehsil which was detached from Gurdaspur and given to Pak (Narowal) NB: casteist but still funny - https://www.facebook.com/RaahEHayatOfficial/videos/457120242027032/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v https://www.facebook.com/RaahEHayatOfficial/videos/457120242...
      - alephnerd 3y ago
        > thinking of Shakargarh tehsil Yep! Exactly this! A lot of Paharis immigrated down the hills to that area in the 19th century with the canal colonies. Similar thing in Jhelum as well! > NB: casteist but still funny Lol. Gotta love Desi social media. Our clickbait is what unites us

alephnerd 3y ago

Yep. He's commonly revered in the Pir Panjal range. For some reason, Hazarajat, Derajat, Jammu, Half of Himachal, Gurdaspur District, and Sialkot area all revere him. Heck, even the traditional language in Swat (Torwali) before it became Pakhto speaking in the 19th century is intelligible for anyone who can speak a Western Pahari language (eg. Dogra, Hindko, "Pahari") after seeing my dad surprisingly understand a BBC documentary about the Swat insurgency back in the 2010s. I wanted to dig into the cultural connection a bit deeper in college, but the RoI on graduate education on Sociology or Anthropology ain't there

selimthegrim 3y ago
My (Ahmedi) family is originally from Gurdaspur district, and while we had a picture of Nanak around, I don’t remember hearing about Syed Ahmad Sultan (although I have heard of him by the name of Sakhi Sarwar) but rather Data Ganj Bakhsh, Hz. Khizr (especially), Bulleh Shah and the “Char Yaar”
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Make sense! Khwaja Khizr and Ganj Baksh are also venerated in my area - often at the same time with Sakai Sarwar (eg. This random whatsapp forward - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XFZuubbGNXQ?feature=share https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XFZuubbGNXQ?feature=share) By Gurdaspur, I meant the undivided Gurdaspur division, which included the hill regions of what's now Pathankot District in East Punjab and I think some of northern regions in West Punjab
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    You are thinking of Shakargarh tehsil which was detached from Gurdaspur and given to Pak (Narowal) NB: casteist but still funny - https://www.facebook.com/RaahEHayatOfficial/videos/457120242027032/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v https://www.facebook.com/RaahEHayatOfficial/videos/457120242...
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      > thinking of Shakargarh tehsil Yep! Exactly this! A lot of Paharis immigrated down the hills to that area in the 19th century with the canal colonies. Similar thing in Jhelum as well! > NB: casteist but still funny Lol. Gotta love Desi social media. Our clickbait is what unites us