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Yes, but no! Technically, horcruxes were backups, but the emotional weight of the concept came from splitting your soul, lessening your essence as you hedge aga

by sdwr 3y ago

Yes, but no! Technically, horcruxes were backups, but the emotional weight of the concept came from splitting your soul, lessening your essence as you hedge against danger. Partial backups follow the spirit of the idea better. As an aside, I read the concept as an attack on promiscuity. "Whore crux". Contrast to Lord of the Rings' assault on marriage, where wearing the ring makes you invisible and slowly fade into nothingness, "like butter being scraped over too much bread".

johnchristopher 3y ago
> Contrast to Lord of the Rings' assault on marriage, where wearing the ring makes you invisible and slowly fade into nothingness, "like butter being scraped over too much bread". Wait, what ? Eh...
- tigerlily 3y ago
  Well, I think that's ostensible, as any reading of the author's biography can attest.
  - rndmwlk 3y ago
    I couldn't disagree more. You can easily twist his letters to his son to create this narrative. If you read it as a whole his message isn't at all anti-marriage, he was a devout Christian who believed wholeheartedly in marriage. His message was that marriage takes sacrifice, faith, and a conscious effort (in his opinion specifically on the side of the man). It's a bit Kierkegaardian.
    - slashdev 3y ago
      Yeah, I agree. There’s no way it was intended as a criticism of marriage.
    - tigerlily 3y ago
      I think that might mean we agree. I guess I should have said I thought it ostensibly false.
      - rndmwlk 3y ago
        Whoops, I totally misinterpreted that! Apologies.
  - johnchristopher 3y ago
    Well, when it's put like that ^^. It's just that I never thought about it in that way, that outlook took me by surprise :). I read the Howard Carter biography more than 25 years ago and I don't remember much about that aspect, I was more geeking about lotr at that time than Tolkien's opinions.
    - sdwr 3y ago
      Gollum is what really sells me on LotR being about marraige. He's a caricature of a woman hungry for commitment. I've seen the "gollum look" a few times in real life, and they captured it pretty damn accurately in the movies (more monstrous ofc)...
      - sebzim4500 3y ago
        I'm not sure if you are trolling, but these comments are telling us far more about you than they are about LotR, Tolkien or women.
      - jstarfish 3y ago
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k__ 3y ago
To be fair, the creator of HP is a crazy conservative. So, the idea of "Whore crux" being an attempt of fighting promiscuity isn't surprising.
- solveit 3y ago
  This is ridiculous, Rowling's political views are completely unremarkable for a 58-year old woman and if anything leans liberal. Very few normies in their late fifties would survive the scrutiny she got.
  - ipqk 3y ago
    She blasts her views on twitter constantly — she deserves all the scrutiny she gets.
- chud-guyver 3y ago
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- Jerrrry 3y ago
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- atomicnumber3 3y ago
  This is a ridiculous take, Rowling is basically a cookie cutter late-second wave feminist, exactly the kind of person you'd expect a liberal in the 80s to be. And since I assume you're inferring she's conservative from the popular opinion that she's anti-trans, if you read her political views, she supports transgender rights unequivocally but doesn't like what she perceives as MtF support encroaching on support systems for biological women. Make what you will of exactly "how" liberal she is, but she is literally pro-trans-rights and a feminist which is completely incompatible with conservatism. And furthermore, it's exactly the kind of take you'd expect from someone who formed their political identity in the 80s.
  - monocasa 3y ago
    There's also that one of her pen names was also the name of the guy who decided that gay conversion therapy didn't have enough electroshock involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath
throwaway_ab 3y ago
I don't recall reading anything about lessening the soul, maybe as a byproduct of the process but not something that was intentional. Horcrux was to backup the soul and I believe any one fragment is enough to allow for recovery.
- sdwr 3y ago
  https://www.potter-search.com/?search=Horcrux https://www.potter-search.com/?search=Horcrux > “Seven! Isn’t it bad enough to think of killing one person? And in any case . . . bad enough to divide the soul . . . but to rip it into seven pieces ...” > Lord Voldemort has seemed to grow less human with the passing years, and the transformation he has undergone seemed to me to be only explicable if his soul was mutilated beyond the realms of what we might call ‘usual evil’
throwaway_ab 3y ago
I don't think these concepts occurred in Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. Is it possible you maybe you made these up?
- sdwr 3y ago
  https://www.voxco.com/blog/everything-about-textual-analysis-and-its-approaches/ https://www.voxco.com/blog/everything-about-textual-analysis... "Reading" into text (similar to reading betwen the lines) is a skill taught in the arts. The idea is that there are meanings beyond the literal. Symbols can stand in for feelings or ideas, and multiple interpretations can be kinda true and not true at the same time. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucYxqgiV7k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucYxqgiV7k The literal interpretation is that this is a liquid that alters people's perceptions, and you could ask literal questions about it. - How was it made? - How do the police know if people are drinking it? - What are its effects on the brain? But those questions don't have satisfying answers, because it's a symbol, a stand-in, a variable: - It's an allusion to "rose-colored glasses". When people are passionate, they look for the good and ignore problems. - It's about addiction. The act of drinking is similar to drinking alcohol. He "comes to" in a filthy, miserable living space, the same way someone would after a downwards spiral caused by substance abuse. - It's about social pressure, "drinking the koolaid", and the emptiness of modern office life. Which one of these interpretations is "the right one"? None? All?
  - sebzim4500 3y ago
    >"Reading" into text (similar to reading betwen the lines) is a skill taught in the arts. Only if you use a very generous definition of the word 'skill'
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vGPU 3y ago
Tolkien fell in love with his future wife when he was 16 and they were so close they were buried together under one gravestone.
slashdev 3y ago
> Contrast to Lord of the Rings' assault on marriage, where wearing the ring makes you invisible and slowly fade into nothingness, "like butter being scraped over too much bread". That’s an interpretation I’ve never encountered before. That’s not a canonical interpretation.

by sdwr 3y ago

johnchristopher 3y ago

> Contrast to Lord of the Rings' assault on marriage, where wearing the ring makes you invisible and slowly fade into nothingness, "like butter being scraped over too much bread". Wait, what ? Eh...

tigerlily 3y ago
Well, I think that's ostensible, as any reading of the author's biography can attest.
- rndmwlk 3y ago
  I couldn't disagree more. You can easily twist his letters to his son to create this narrative. If you read it as a whole his message isn't at all anti-marriage, he was a devout Christian who believed wholeheartedly in marriage. His message was that marriage takes sacrifice, faith, and a conscious effort (in his opinion specifically on the side of the man). It's a bit Kierkegaardian.
  - slashdev 3y ago
    Yeah, I agree. There’s no way it was intended as a criticism of marriage.
  - tigerlily 3y ago
    I think that might mean we agree. I guess I should have said I thought it ostensibly false.
    - rndmwlk 3y ago
      Whoops, I totally misinterpreted that! Apologies.
- johnchristopher 3y ago
  Well, when it's put like that ^^. It's just that I never thought about it in that way, that outlook took me by surprise :). I read the Howard Carter biography more than 25 years ago and I don't remember much about that aspect, I was more geeking about lotr at that time than Tolkien's opinions.
  - sdwr 3y ago
    Gollum is what really sells me on LotR being about marraige. He's a caricature of a woman hungry for commitment. I've seen the "gollum look" a few times in real life, and they captured it pretty damn accurately in the movies (more monstrous ofc)...
    - sebzim4500 3y ago
      I'm not sure if you are trolling, but these comments are telling us far more about you than they are about LotR, Tolkien or women.
    - jstarfish 3y ago
      [dead]

k__ 3y ago

To be fair, the creator of HP is a crazy conservative. So, the idea of "Whore crux" being an attempt of fighting promiscuity isn't surprising.

solveit 3y ago
This is ridiculous, Rowling's political views are completely unremarkable for a 58-year old woman and if anything leans liberal. Very few normies in their late fifties would survive the scrutiny she got.
- ipqk 3y ago
  She blasts her views on twitter constantly — she deserves all the scrutiny she gets.
chud-guyver 3y ago
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Jerrrry 3y ago
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atomicnumber3 3y ago
This is a ridiculous take, Rowling is basically a cookie cutter late-second wave feminist, exactly the kind of person you'd expect a liberal in the 80s to be. And since I assume you're inferring she's conservative from the popular opinion that she's anti-trans, if you read her political views, she supports transgender rights unequivocally but doesn't like what she perceives as MtF support encroaching on support systems for biological women. Make what you will of exactly "how" liberal she is, but she is literally pro-trans-rights and a feminist which is completely incompatible with conservatism. And furthermore, it's exactly the kind of take you'd expect from someone who formed their political identity in the 80s.
- monocasa 3y ago
  There's also that one of her pen names was also the name of the guy who decided that gay conversion therapy didn't have enough electroshock involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

throwaway_ab 3y ago

I don't recall reading anything about lessening the soul, maybe as a byproduct of the process but not something that was intentional. Horcrux was to backup the soul and I believe any one fragment is enough to allow for recovery.

sdwr 3y ago
https://www.potter-search.com/?search=Horcrux https://www.potter-search.com/?search=Horcrux > “Seven! Isn’t it bad enough to think of killing one person? And in any case . . . bad enough to divide the soul . . . but to rip it into seven pieces ...” > Lord Voldemort has seemed to grow less human with the passing years, and the transformation he has undergone seemed to me to be only explicable if his soul was mutilated beyond the realms of what we might call ‘usual evil’

throwaway_ab 3y ago

I don't think these concepts occurred in Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. Is it possible you maybe you made these up?

sdwr 3y ago
https://www.voxco.com/blog/everything-about-textual-analysis-and-its-approaches/ https://www.voxco.com/blog/everything-about-textual-analysis... "Reading" into text (similar to reading betwen the lines) is a skill taught in the arts. The idea is that there are meanings beyond the literal. Symbols can stand in for feelings or ideas, and multiple interpretations can be kinda true and not true at the same time. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucYxqgiV7k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucYxqgiV7k The literal interpretation is that this is a liquid that alters people's perceptions, and you could ask literal questions about it. - How was it made? - How do the police know if people are drinking it? - What are its effects on the brain? But those questions don't have satisfying answers, because it's a symbol, a stand-in, a variable: - It's an allusion to "rose-colored glasses". When people are passionate, they look for the good and ignore problems. - It's about addiction. The act of drinking is similar to drinking alcohol. He "comes to" in a filthy, miserable living space, the same way someone would after a downwards spiral caused by substance abuse. - It's about social pressure, "drinking the koolaid", and the emptiness of modern office life. Which one of these interpretations is "the right one"? None? All?
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  >"Reading" into text (similar to reading betwen the lines) is a skill taught in the arts. Only if you use a very generous definition of the word 'skill'

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vGPU 3y ago

Tolkien fell in love with his future wife when he was 16 and they were so close they were buried together under one gravestone.

slashdev 3y ago

> Contrast to Lord of the Rings' assault on marriage, where wearing the ring makes you invisible and slowly fade into nothingness, "like butter being scraped over too much bread". That’s an interpretation I’ve never encountered before. That’s not a canonical interpretation.