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That's just blatantly false: https://www.gasworld.com/story/wood-to-expand-us-hydrogen-pipelines-by-a-third/ https://www.gasworld.com/story/wood-to-expand-us-hy

by _hypx 3y ago

That's just blatantly false: https://www.gasworld.com/story/wood-to-expand-us-hydrogen-pipelines-by-a-third/ https://www.gasworld.com/story/wood-to-expand-us-hydrogen-pi... In reality, hydrogen is much cheaper than expanding the grid. You are basically dismissing basic physics with nationalism. Whichever country you're from, it too will find out that is cheaper to build a hydrogen network rather than massive grid expansion.

theshrike79 3y ago
Our grid already feeds 2-3kW to pretty much every parking spot because of block heaters needed to get ICE vehicles running in the winter. The grid needs exactly zero changes for an EV future. A few last-mile upgrades maybe, but nothing major. This is according to the government organisation that handles the grid infrastructure. As for "hydrogen network", we have pretty much zero infrastructure bringing natural gas or any kind of gas to residential homes. I think the capital city used to have a gas pipeline, but it got dismantled and people just use portable CNG tanks.
- _hypx 3y ago
  I'm sure your personal situation is magically ideal for BEVs. But that is an anecdote and not the general solution. Hydrogen is a lot cheaper to move around than electricity. Regardless of where you are now, it is more logical to build the hydrogen network rather than expand the grid: https://www.brinknews.com/could-hydrogen-replace-the-need-for-an-electric-grid/ https://www.brinknews.com/could-hydrogen-replace-the-need-fo...
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    The keynote speaker at the Hydrogen World Congress 2022 disagrees with you: https://vimeo.com/761934482 https://vimeo.com/761934482 According to him transporting H2 is THE biggest problem. There are too many conversion losses in the process.
    - _hypx 3y ago
      That's Michael Liebriech, notorious anti-hydrogen advocate. He's completely wrong and not an expert on the subject at all.

by _hypx 3y ago

theshrike79 3y ago

Our grid already feeds 2-3kW to pretty much every parking spot because of block heaters needed to get ICE vehicles running in the winter. The grid needs exactly zero changes for an EV future. A few last-mile upgrades maybe, but nothing major. This is according to the government organisation that handles the grid infrastructure. As for "hydrogen network", we have pretty much zero infrastructure bringing natural gas or any kind of gas to residential homes. I think the capital city used to have a gas pipeline, but it got dismantled and people just use portable CNG tanks.

_hypx 3y ago
I'm sure your personal situation is magically ideal for BEVs. But that is an anecdote and not the general solution. Hydrogen is a lot cheaper to move around than electricity. Regardless of where you are now, it is more logical to build the hydrogen network rather than expand the grid: https://www.brinknews.com/could-hydrogen-replace-the-need-for-an-electric-grid/ https://www.brinknews.com/could-hydrogen-replace-the-need-fo...
- theshrike79 3y ago
  The keynote speaker at the Hydrogen World Congress 2022 disagrees with you: https://vimeo.com/761934482 https://vimeo.com/761934482 According to him transporting H2 is THE biggest problem. There are too many conversion losses in the process.
  - _hypx 3y ago
    That's Michael Liebriech, notorious anti-hydrogen advocate. He's completely wrong and not an expert on the subject at all.