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> One significant theological change that appeared to be underway within Himalayan Hinduism as a result of climate change was the transformation of the primary
by syndicatedjelly 3y ago
> One significant theological change that appeared to be underway within Himalayan Hinduism as a result of climate change was the transformation of the primary conception of the gods from those who bless to those who punish.
This is not a new view in Hinduism. There is a concept that the world goes through cycles and we are now in the end stage [Kali Yuga](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga)
- alephnerd 3y agoNo one talks about Kali Yug stuff in folk Hinduism in the Himalayan region. All that "Wikipedia Hinduism" stuff is weird esoteric content that everyday Hindus haven't heard about. Source: am part of the Pahari diaspora
- syndicatedjelly 3y agoWhat's an "everyday" Hindu?
- unholythree 3y agoIt’s funny how shallow the understanding of everyday believers in religions frequently are. Whenever I read about historical Christian schisms especially really early ones during the Roman Empire, it occurs to me how so few of the modern faithful have any understanding or interest in these theological issues that caused so much bloodshed and tears. The biggest bible thumper in Alabama probably hasn’t ever worried about if Christ was made of the same material substance as other aspects of the Trinity and if so, at what points, but that sort of thing can be geopolitical dynamite when the right elites fight over it.
- syndicatedjelly 3y agoOne could say the same of followers of "scientism". Every belief system has it's know-nothing followers who just parrot whatever they hear.
- alephnerd 3y agoMost people never had a deep theological understanding of religion. Mass Literacy only became a thing in the 20th century. There's a reason why folk religions and customs exist (eg. Folk saints in Mexico and Southern Europe, the entire Chinese Folk Religion, Pir Darghas and Dervishes in Islam, etc) Also "Hinduism" is a broad term for general folk religious practices in the South Asian subcontinent. For example, in the Himalayan region I am from you will see people revere an Iranian origin Muslim preacher who came to the area in the 13th century (Lakhdatta) despite also being "Hindu" or "Sikh"
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoThe Wikipedia article for Lakhdatta is at “Syed Ahmad Sultan”.[0] Thanks for reminding me of him, I definitely saw his image hung in businesses in India whose proprietors otherwise seemed very Hindu or Sikh. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ahmad_Sultan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ahmad_Sultan
- alephnerd 3y agoYep. He's commonly revered in the Pir Panjal range. For some reason, Hazarajat, Derajat, Jammu, Half of Himachal, Gurdaspur District, and Sialkot area all revere him. Heck, even the traditional language in Swat (Torwali) before it became Pakhto speaking in the 19th century is intelligible for anyone who can speak a Western Pahari language (eg. Dogra, Hindko, "Pahari") after seeing my dad surprisingly understand a BBC documentary about the Swat insurgency back in the 2010s. I wanted to dig into the cultural connection a bit deeper in college, but the RoI on graduate education on Sociology or Anthropology ain't there
- selimthegrim 3y agoMy (Ahmedi) family is originally from Gurdaspur district, and while we had a picture of Nanak around, I don’t remember hearing about Syed Ahmad Sultan (although I have heard of him by the name of Sakhi Sarwar) but rather Data Ganj Bakhsh, Hz. Khizr (especially), Bulleh Shah and the “Char Yaar”
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoThere are enough Bible thumpers in the USA at least vaguely familiar with early Christological disputes, that non-trinitarian denominations like Oneness Pentecostalism[0] were founded. But otherwise, presumably there isn’t much interest in those disputes, whether because sola Scriptura denominations would claim that mainstream Trinitarian views were already set out in Scripture and therefore no need to study the later debates, or because the patristic literature is written by obvious Byzantine Orthodox and sometimes in very atticizing Greek, both of which would make American non-mainline-Protestants uncomfortable. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism
- svieira 3y ago> hasn’t ever worried about if Christ was made of the same material substance as other aspects of the Trinity And if he does, he's asking the wrong question. "Substance" does not imply "matter" in Platonic, Aristotelian, or Scholastic philosophy. The heretical belief that God is made of matter is a distinct heresy from the heresies concerning the procession of the Trinity, which are themselves distinct from heresies which deny the existence of the Trinity. Catholic doctrine is full of distinctions, the understanding of which are not necessary for salvation (praise be).
- samuraijack 3y agoThe concept of Kalyug is hardly esoteric. While I am not from that region, it is bit of a surprise to hear that.
- alephnerd 3y agoIf I'm at a puja for a local devta, Kalyug stuff doesn't come up. When you're praying to Baba Balak Nath, Jwala Ji, or Digu Wazir, stuff like that doesn't come up. It's a newish cultural import.
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- ChatGTP 3y agoKali Yuga began 5,124 years ago and has 426,876 years left as of 2023 CE.[11][12][13] Kali Yuga will end in the year 428,899 CE.[14][b] Not sure how long humans are supposed to be involved but that’s quite a long time!
- kelipso 3y agoAgricultural revolution and its consequences...
- jiofj 3y agoAlso known as Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times