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This days there must be at least a few million more cameras then a few decades backa nd the alien or super natural images did not increased proportionally to th

This days there must be at least a few million more cameras then a few decades backa nd the alien or super natural images did not increased proportionally to the camera number as you would expect. I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports, it was so popular at that time so people produced the content that was in demand. i remember some TV show that was presented some old temple and claiming something like "only aliens would have had tools to cut this rocks at such perfect angles" - then when I had Internet access and check that temple I see it was made from sandstone (a very soft materials) and the freaking angles were not precise by a mile... so makes you wonder should there be consequences for this kind of intentional lying for cache ? (I mean in general and I understand that USA is super special).

kibwen 3y ago
> I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports, it was so popular at that time so people produced the content that was in demand. Rather than greed, I think it was just a meme. People got it in their minds that aliens in flying saucers were scooting around abducting cows, so they were psychologically primed to perpetuate the idea.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Well how else are they supposed to make their hamburgers? They don't have cows up there. Ps more seriously, I wonder where the whole flying saucer concept comes from. Was it the SR71 with its rounded shapes? Or does it predate that?
  - krapp 3y ago
    >I wonder where the whole flying saucer concept comes from. Kenneth Arnold, an Air Force pilot in 1947 who reported seeing craft shaped like "saucers" or "pie plates" flying past Mount Ranier[0]. He never called them "flying saucers" specifically but after the press picked up the story, the term and the concept became popular. After that, flying saucers became a trope in sci-fi movies. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold_UFO_sighting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold_UFO_sighting
    - NikkiA 3y ago
      > an Air Force pilot in 1947 Nope, he was a private pilot.
      - krapp 3y ago
        My mistake. He was a pilot.
  - monocasa 3y ago
    It predates that. One of the first sightings to use the word saucer was in 1878. https://web.archive.org/web/20120819213938/http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/17732 https://web.archive.org/web/20120819213938/http://www.americ...
rintakumpu 3y ago
Hey, aliens aren't stupid! They know that we've got more cameras nowadays and are more careful because of it.
pmarreck 3y ago
> I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports Speaking as a USAF Veteran, they are very strict about honesty, and there's actually a whole set of meta-laws (the UCMJ, https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/the-uniform-code-of-military-justice-ucmj.html https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/the-uniform-code-...) which are stricter than civilian laws, that all members of the US military must adhere to. (Let's just say I got one personal taste of this during a "white lie" incident I was a part of.) The pilots who reported "foo fighters" https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-were-mysterious-foo-fighters-sighted-ww2-night-flyers-180959847/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-were-... in WW2 were under the same rules. I would therefore consider any reports by active military to be head and shoulders above others, at least on the assumption of dishonesty. (That still leaves the possibility of misperception, mis-recall, etc.... but if you consider each person an imperfect detector of information, then the more people reporting a thing, the more accurate the picture becomes thanks to sensor fusion/the Kalman filter: https://medium.com/@cotra.marko/wtf-is-sensor-fusion-part-1-laying-the-mathematical-foundation-89e2d304e23e https://medium.com/@cotra.marko/wtf-is-sensor-fusion-part-1-... )
- redeux 3y ago
  Also speaking as a USAF veteran, many of the people I worked with were bigots and liars. The enlisted corps is basically a cross section of the disadvantaged and uneducated while the officers are lightly educated nationalists. Hardly the paragons of virtue and integrity, the USAF core values aside.
- giantrobot 3y ago
  > but if you consider each person an imperfect detector of information, then the more people reporting a thing, the more accurate the picture becomes thanks to sensor fusion/the Kalman filter: Not necessarily. Adding a bunch of extra imperfect sensors is not the same as adding imperfect sensors with imperfect interpretations. The storage medium that interpretation is stored in is also imperfect. An accounting of that interpretation will change non-linearly depending on how many times it's described and how recently from the event it's described. Adding more and more of these recountings don't necessarily mean you've got better data.
ksey3 3y ago
Its called Attention Theft.

kibwen 3y ago

> I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports, it was so popular at that time so people produced the content that was in demand. Rather than greed, I think it was just a meme. People got it in their minds that aliens in flying saucers were scooting around abducting cows, so they were psychologically primed to perpetuate the idea.

wkat4242 3y ago
Well how else are they supposed to make their hamburgers? They don't have cows up there. Ps more seriously, I wonder where the whole flying saucer concept comes from. Was it the SR71 with its rounded shapes? Or does it predate that?
- krapp 3y ago
  >I wonder where the whole flying saucer concept comes from. Kenneth Arnold, an Air Force pilot in 1947 who reported seeing craft shaped like "saucers" or "pie plates" flying past Mount Ranier[0]. He never called them "flying saucers" specifically but after the press picked up the story, the term and the concept became popular. After that, flying saucers became a trope in sci-fi movies. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold_UFO_sighting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold_UFO_sighting
  - NikkiA 3y ago
    > an Air Force pilot in 1947 Nope, he was a private pilot.
    - krapp 3y ago
      My mistake. He was a pilot.
- monocasa 3y ago
  It predates that. One of the first sightings to use the word saucer was in 1878. https://web.archive.org/web/20120819213938/http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/17732 https://web.archive.org/web/20120819213938/http://www.americ...

rintakumpu 3y ago

Hey, aliens aren't stupid! They know that we've got more cameras nowadays and are more careful because of it.

pmarreck 3y ago

> I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports Speaking as a USAF Veteran, they are very strict about honesty, and there's actually a whole set of meta-laws (the UCMJ, https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/the-uniform-code-of-military-justice-ucmj.html https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/the-uniform-code-...) which are stricter than civilian laws, that all members of the US military must adhere to. (Let's just say I got one personal taste of this during a "white lie" incident I was a part of.) The pilots who reported "foo fighters" https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-were-mysterious-foo-fighters-sighted-ww2-night-flyers-180959847/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-were-... in WW2 were under the same rules. I would therefore consider any reports by active military to be head and shoulders above others, at least on the assumption of dishonesty. (That still leaves the possibility of misperception, mis-recall, etc.... but if you consider each person an imperfect detector of information, then the more people reporting a thing, the more accurate the picture becomes thanks to sensor fusion/the Kalman filter: https://medium.com/@cotra.marko/wtf-is-sensor-fusion-part-1-laying-the-mathematical-foundation-89e2d304e23e https://medium.com/@cotra.marko/wtf-is-sensor-fusion-part-1-... )

redeux 3y ago
Also speaking as a USAF veteran, many of the people I worked with were bigots and liars. The enlisted corps is basically a cross section of the disadvantaged and uneducated while the officers are lightly educated nationalists. Hardly the paragons of virtue and integrity, the USAF core values aside.
giantrobot 3y ago
> but if you consider each person an imperfect detector of information, then the more people reporting a thing, the more accurate the picture becomes thanks to sensor fusion/the Kalman filter: Not necessarily. Adding a bunch of extra imperfect sensors is not the same as adding imperfect sensors with imperfect interpretations. The storage medium that interpretation is stored in is also imperfect. An accounting of that interpretation will change non-linearly depending on how many times it's described and how recently from the event it's described. Adding more and more of these recountings don't necessarily mean you've got better data.

ksey3 3y ago

Its called Attention Theft.