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Why doesn't anyone mention the private option? Multi-Billion dollar operations like Koch Industries are private. You aren't forced to go public per se.

by veyron 15y ago

eli 15y ago
Did you read that article? Facebook more-or-less was forced to go public.
- _delirium 15y ago
  It would be more accurate to say that Facebook decided that it would rather go public than stay with <500 owners. It was hardly "forced", since there's nothing forcing you to have more than 500 owners of a company! If you keep a handful of owners and pay employees with cash-money instead of equity, you can stay private forever. Mars, Inc. was founded in 1911, has revenue ten times as much as Facebook, and has never been forced to go public.
  - jedberg 15y ago
    Mars Inc doesn't compete in an industry where every employee expects to get shares of the company.
- veyron 15y ago
  For posterity's sake let's make this clear: the SEC rule regarding 500 owners is as follows: > Companies with more than $10 million in assets whose securities are held by more than 500 owners must file annual and other periodic reports. These reports are available to the public through the SEC's EDGAR database. Source: Securities Act of 1934, paraphrased in http://www.sec.gov/about/laws.shtml http://www.sec.gov/about/laws.shtml It requires firms to file special reports. The reason why people presume that it means that the firm must go public is simple: there are only a few additional requirements to go public, and the economic advantages in many cases outweigh the paltry effort. For posterity's sake, this is worth repeating: THERE IS NOTHING FORCING A FIRM TO GO PUBLIC. NOTHING.
  - eli 15y ago
    Right, besides the fact that they no longer have much to lose.
ojbyrne 15y ago
Too many shareholders mean that you're forced to report like a public company. Then you might as well be public. Presumably Koch has only a few shareholders.
- veyron 15y ago
  The article makes it sound like the SEC forces you to go public. You don't have to. It's a choice, as I explained here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3753915 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3753915
JumpCrisscross 15y ago
I suspect it's the VC pressure. VC's are mid-term owners, needing to return cash to limited partners 5-7 years after funding. Going public should be a way to swap VCs out with pension funds and other long-term holders. Unfortunately, our public markets, while doing some of that, also swap in a bunch of short-term holders (who, fairly, are needed in some quantity to give the long-term holders the option to "exit" their position freely as well as know, to some degree of confidence, how much their stake is worth).

Why doesn't anyone mention the private option? Multi-Billion dollar operations like Koch Industries are private. You aren't forced to go public per se.

by veyron 15y ago

Why doesn't anyone mention the private option? Multi-Billion dollar operations like Koch Industries are private. You aren't forced to go public per se.

eli 15y ago

Did you read that article? Facebook more-or-less was forced to go public.

_delirium 15y ago
It would be more accurate to say that Facebook decided that it would rather go public than stay with <500 owners. It was hardly "forced", since there's nothing forcing you to have more than 500 owners of a company! If you keep a handful of owners and pay employees with cash-money instead of equity, you can stay private forever. Mars, Inc. was founded in 1911, has revenue ten times as much as Facebook, and has never been forced to go public.
- jedberg 15y ago
  Mars Inc doesn't compete in an industry where every employee expects to get shares of the company.
veyron 15y ago
For posterity's sake let's make this clear: the SEC rule regarding 500 owners is as follows: > Companies with more than $10 million in assets whose securities are held by more than 500 owners must file annual and other periodic reports. These reports are available to the public through the SEC's EDGAR database. Source: Securities Act of 1934, paraphrased in http://www.sec.gov/about/laws.shtml http://www.sec.gov/about/laws.shtml It requires firms to file special reports. The reason why people presume that it means that the firm must go public is simple: there are only a few additional requirements to go public, and the economic advantages in many cases outweigh the paltry effort. For posterity's sake, this is worth repeating: THERE IS NOTHING FORCING A FIRM TO GO PUBLIC. NOTHING.
- eli 15y ago
  Right, besides the fact that they no longer have much to lose.

ojbyrne 15y ago

Too many shareholders mean that you're forced to report like a public company. Then you might as well be public. Presumably Koch has only a few shareholders.

veyron 15y ago
The article makes it sound like the SEC forces you to go public. You don't have to. It's a choice, as I explained here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3753915 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3753915

JumpCrisscross 15y ago

I suspect it's the VC pressure. VC's are mid-term owners, needing to return cash to limited partners 5-7 years after funding. Going public should be a way to swap VCs out with pension funds and other long-term holders. Unfortunately, our public markets, while doing some of that, also swap in a bunch of short-term holders (who, fairly, are needed in some quantity to give the long-term holders the option to "exit" their position freely as well as know, to some degree of confidence, how much their stake is worth).