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This feels like the debate between tax evasion and tax avoidance. What the engineer did here going to an IP lawless place is more like tax avoidance. It has a b

by ak_111 3y ago

This feels like the debate between tax evasion and tax avoidance. What the engineer did here going to an IP lawless place is more like tax avoidance. It has a bad smell but he legally exploited a loophole in the international IP system if I understood correctly. Sort of migrating to a tax haven to avoid taxes. Unless there is something explicitly stated in your contract banning you from taking the "know-how" in your brains and use it elsewhere (so long as you don't breach any patent) then it sounds there is nothing technically wrong.

fennecfoxy 3y ago
Which is why there are export bans on plenty of things to China, the US Gov (I'm not American) rightfully understands what's going on under the table and the easiest way to curb theft of high technology is an outright ban (Nvidia products, etc). I think it's a cultural thing as well, some sort of hustle culture, as the Chinese citizens that moved to NZ when I grew up loved to flout rules & laws around things like the property markets etc - one big problem was Chinese nationals buying up as much NZ baby formula & milk poweder as they could get, hiking the price & selling/sending it to China, so much that NZ experienced shortages for Kiwi mothers trying to feed their babies, so much so that supermarkets had to instate a X per person policy. When I worked in one during 1st year uni I would get literally screamed at in Mandarin by angry and aggressive Chinese nationals with trolleys full of baby formula. And keep in mind that all of that started only because of the big scare where Chinese baby formula was found to have melamine in it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal) killing 6 babies, affecting hundreds of thousands. All because Sanlu's execs wanted more $$$ so they cut their product.
iancmceachern 3y ago
It's less that it's explicitly legal, and more that it's not enforced or enforceable there right?
- ak_111 3y ago
  Am not a lawyer or even a tax expert, just was noting that for non-experts in these domains this scenario look similar (China is doing to IP what tax havens did for taxes).

by ak_111 3y ago

fennecfoxy 3y ago

Which is why there are export bans on plenty of things to China, the US Gov (I'm not American) rightfully understands what's going on under the table and the easiest way to curb theft of high technology is an outright ban (Nvidia products, etc). I think it's a cultural thing as well, some sort of hustle culture, as the Chinese citizens that moved to NZ when I grew up loved to flout rules & laws around things like the property markets etc - one big problem was Chinese nationals buying up as much NZ baby formula & milk poweder as they could get, hiking the price & selling/sending it to China, so much that NZ experienced shortages for Kiwi mothers trying to feed their babies, so much so that supermarkets had to instate a X per person policy. When I worked in one during 1st year uni I would get literally screamed at in Mandarin by angry and aggressive Chinese nationals with trolleys full of baby formula. And keep in mind that all of that started only because of the big scare where Chinese baby formula was found to have melamine in it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal) killing 6 babies, affecting hundreds of thousands. All because Sanlu's execs wanted more $$$ so they cut their product.

iancmceachern 3y ago

It's less that it's explicitly legal, and more that it's not enforced or enforceable there right?

ak_111 3y ago
Am not a lawyer or even a tax expert, just was noting that for non-experts in these domains this scenario look similar (China is doing to IP what tax havens did for taxes).