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> Our immune system is dysfunctioning because of something (not natural occurrence) So, an autoimmune disease? Because that falls within the parameters of what

> Our immune system is dysfunctioning because of something (not natural occurrence) So, an autoimmune disease? Because that falls within the parameters of what you've described. > What is that something? - vaccines - toxins, pesticides? - lack of vitamin D, infrared? Something else? The question of why autoimmune diseases are becoming more common is good one. There is research that shows correlations between the incidence of autoimmune disease and vitamin D deficiency and exposure to microplastics. But as of now, these are just correlations. Causality has not been established, and there are a lot of missing links left on that road. > Whatever is causing immune problems is at the same time creating a lot of shareholder value. You give way too much credit to big pharma. 1. We don't know enough about autoimmune disease to know how to intentionally cause it. 2. As with many conspiracy theories, this one relies on the very improbable occurrence of tens of thousands of people keeping mum over multiple decades and not a single one of them growing a conscience at any point. Or just leaking something out of incompetence at any point.

alfor 3y ago
You are right, It think it’s mostly caused by the change of our environment: screens, less time outside, food getting industrialized, etc. On the side of pharma it’s mostly: work on what is lucrative, don’t kill the golden goose (fix the problem) They have a huge incentives to keep the problems going and create a subscription model to alleviate the symptoms, not surprising, that exactly what they do.
- DubiousPusher 3y ago
  If inverse vaccines work, they will end the most lucrative drugs in the history of medicine. Humira the OG biologic treatment for autoimmune conditions costs $5,000/month. There has been a gold rush by pharmaceutical companies to create humira-like drugs or new monoclonal antibodies. Enbrel, Simponi, Taltz, Rinvoq and on. They all cost thousands of dollars per month and must be taken for life. Immune suppresant biologics has been one of the biggest profit growth areas for pharma over the last 20 years. They are all chasing it. These inverse vaccines would end that.
DoreenMichele 3y ago
You don't need to know how to intentionally cause it to come up with solutions that help keep it alive. All you need is a profit motive that helps keep your eye on profiting from ongoing treatment and helps you parrot the party line that "It's incurable." See also The Shirky Principle: Organizations tend to keep alive the problem they are intended to address.
- DubiousPusher 3y ago
  This article is literally about a permeant or semi-permenant cure for diseases which are currently treated with drugs costing as much as tens of thousands of dollars per month. The profit motive would be not to bring inverse vaccines to market.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    That doesn't somehow rebut my point. No industry is ever a monolith.
    - Calavar 3y ago
      No industry is a monolith, and yet there's not a single whistleblower that's come forward? There's not a single hedge fund that's dropped a Hindenburg style expose as it short sells a pharma company's stock?
      - motohagiography 3y ago
        This is a really interesting question. There is the issue that Pfizer is too big to fail and there is no situation where countries that bet their democratic legitimacy on Pfizer products are going to prosecute them, so there isn't a short case you can publish and reasonably time. The thing about betting on conspiracy theories is that the theories only exist because they're getting away with it. They say you should buy the rumor and sell the news, but the smarter play may be to buy the conspiracy theory - and then just hold indefinitely.

alfor 3y ago

You are right, It think it’s mostly caused by the change of our environment: screens, less time outside, food getting industrialized, etc. On the side of pharma it’s mostly: work on what is lucrative, don’t kill the golden goose (fix the problem) They have a huge incentives to keep the problems going and create a subscription model to alleviate the symptoms, not surprising, that exactly what they do.

DubiousPusher 3y ago
If inverse vaccines work, they will end the most lucrative drugs in the history of medicine. Humira the OG biologic treatment for autoimmune conditions costs $5,000/month. There has been a gold rush by pharmaceutical companies to create humira-like drugs or new monoclonal antibodies. Enbrel, Simponi, Taltz, Rinvoq and on. They all cost thousands of dollars per month and must be taken for life. Immune suppresant biologics has been one of the biggest profit growth areas for pharma over the last 20 years. They are all chasing it. These inverse vaccines would end that.

DoreenMichele 3y ago

You don't need to know how to intentionally cause it to come up with solutions that help keep it alive. All you need is a profit motive that helps keep your eye on profiting from ongoing treatment and helps you parrot the party line that "It's incurable." See also The Shirky Principle: Organizations tend to keep alive the problem they are intended to address.

DubiousPusher 3y ago
This article is literally about a permeant or semi-permenant cure for diseases which are currently treated with drugs costing as much as tens of thousands of dollars per month. The profit motive would be not to bring inverse vaccines to market.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  That doesn't somehow rebut my point. No industry is ever a monolith.
  - Calavar 3y ago
    No industry is a monolith, and yet there's not a single whistleblower that's come forward? There's not a single hedge fund that's dropped a Hindenburg style expose as it short sells a pharma company's stock?
    - motohagiography 3y ago
      This is a really interesting question. There is the issue that Pfizer is too big to fail and there is no situation where countries that bet their democratic legitimacy on Pfizer products are going to prosecute them, so there isn't a short case you can publish and reasonably time. The thing about betting on conspiracy theories is that the theories only exist because they're getting away with it. They say you should buy the rumor and sell the news, but the smarter play may be to buy the conspiracy theory - and then just hold indefinitely.