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> Apple honestly did a pretty good job. They did. Over here, there are regular news articles and warnings from the government as yet more Android users get con

> Apple honestly did a pretty good job. They did. Over here, there are regular news articles and warnings from the government as yet more Android users get conned into installing fake banking app APKs that let attackers steal all their money. It’s always the same news article and the same warning – only Android users affected. Elsewhere in this thread, people are saying that you can’t protect people from themselves… but Apple seem to be doing a good job of it. When was the last time a side-loaded IPA stole bank credentials from iPhone users? I personally think that Apple should be a little more open. Having some sort of developer mode with plenty of warnings would be better. But the idea that Apple’s approach doesn’t improve security in meaningful ways to the average user is wishful thinking based more in ideology than what actually happens in the real world.

shadowgovt 3y ago
> Elsewhere in this thread, people are saying that you can’t protect people from themselves… but Apple seem to be doing a good job of it Precisely my point. I think there are benefits to both locked-down devices and open devices, and both are desirable. If Android is transitioning towards more constrained-by-default, (a) that's smart given it's working so well for their largest competition, and (b) it opens the field wider for the truly open-stack phones to gain users. Win-win.
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  > it opens the field wider for the truly open-stack phones to gain users. Win-win. Microsoft couldn't break into this market for billions of dollars. Open phones breaking in because android becomes more locked down is a complete fantasy. What do you do when oppressive governments insist that your now constrained environment implement some of their suggestions with the alternative to compliance being your local yokels go to prison and the alternative to having local yokels is that you aren't allowed to sell there?
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    In the event that fantasy scenario plays out, there's no winners period; if Android complied, they'd still get to sell, and if they didn't they'd end up on the black market alongside the Pinephones. None of this category of openness matters if the government turns to oppression.
JimDabell 3y ago
> Over here, there are regular news articles and warnings from the government as yet more Android users get conned into installing fake banking app APKs that let attackers steal all their money. It’s always the same news article and the same warning – only Android users affected. Like clockwork, here’s today’s article: > The victims would then contact the “sellers” via the platforms or messaging app WhatsApp. Following this, the “sellers” would send a uniform resource locator (URL) link for the victims to download an Android Package Kit (APK) file, an app created for Android’s operating system. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/android-malware-scam-factory-reset-phone-police-3785801 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/android-malware-sc...
- JimDabell 3y ago
  Like clockwork, here’s today’s article: > DBS, UOB become latest banks to restrict access if unverified apps are found on customers' phones > They are the latest banks in Singapore to do so – after OCBC and Citibank – amid a spate of malware scams targeting users of Android devices. > DBS said on Tuesday (Sep 26) that its new anti-malware tool for Android phones seeks to prevent scammers from fraudulently logging into customers’ accounts by restricting app access if it detects potential risks. > “For now, it appears (that) scam vulnerability by malware is a major issue and therefore, it is appropriate to strike the balance in favour of protection for now. If this changes over time, then we may be willing to revisit the situation,” he said. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/dbs-uob-anti-scam-sideloaded-app-malware-measure-latest-bank-restrict-app-access-3796806 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/dbs-uob-anti-scam-...
  - JimDabell 3y ago
    Like clockwork, here’s today’s article: > The elderly man, who wanted to be known only as Mr Loh, lost about $70,000 to scammers who siphoned money from his DBS and POSB credit card and bank accounts after infecting his Android phone with malware. > The seller texted Mr Loh on WhatsApp and instructed him through voice messages to download a third-party app called Grab&Go on his phone. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/74-year-old-man-loses-70k-after-downloading-third-party-app-to-buy-roast-duck https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/74-year-old-man-loses...

shadowgovt 3y ago

> Elsewhere in this thread, people are saying that you can’t protect people from themselves… but Apple seem to be doing a good job of it Precisely my point. I think there are benefits to both locked-down devices and open devices, and both are desirable. If Android is transitioning towards more constrained-by-default, (a) that's smart given it's working so well for their largest competition, and (b) it opens the field wider for the truly open-stack phones to gain users. Win-win.

michaelmrose 3y ago
> it opens the field wider for the truly open-stack phones to gain users. Win-win. Microsoft couldn't break into this market for billions of dollars. Open phones breaking in because android becomes more locked down is a complete fantasy. What do you do when oppressive governments insist that your now constrained environment implement some of their suggestions with the alternative to compliance being your local yokels go to prison and the alternative to having local yokels is that you aren't allowed to sell there?
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  In the event that fantasy scenario plays out, there's no winners period; if Android complied, they'd still get to sell, and if they didn't they'd end up on the black market alongside the Pinephones. None of this category of openness matters if the government turns to oppression.

JimDabell 3y ago

> Over here, there are regular news articles and warnings from the government as yet more Android users get conned into installing fake banking app APKs that let attackers steal all their money. It’s always the same news article and the same warning – only Android users affected. Like clockwork, here’s today’s article: > The victims would then contact the “sellers” via the platforms or messaging app WhatsApp. Following this, the “sellers” would send a uniform resource locator (URL) link for the victims to download an Android Package Kit (APK) file, an app created for Android’s operating system. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/android-malware-scam-factory-reset-phone-police-3785801 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/android-malware-sc...

JimDabell 3y ago
Like clockwork, here’s today’s article: > DBS, UOB become latest banks to restrict access if unverified apps are found on customers' phones > They are the latest banks in Singapore to do so – after OCBC and Citibank – amid a spate of malware scams targeting users of Android devices. > DBS said on Tuesday (Sep 26) that its new anti-malware tool for Android phones seeks to prevent scammers from fraudulently logging into customers’ accounts by restricting app access if it detects potential risks. > “For now, it appears (that) scam vulnerability by malware is a major issue and therefore, it is appropriate to strike the balance in favour of protection for now. If this changes over time, then we may be willing to revisit the situation,” he said. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/dbs-uob-anti-scam-sideloaded-app-malware-measure-latest-bank-restrict-app-access-3796806 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/dbs-uob-anti-scam-...
- JimDabell 3y ago
  Like clockwork, here’s today’s article: > The elderly man, who wanted to be known only as Mr Loh, lost about $70,000 to scammers who siphoned money from his DBS and POSB credit card and bank accounts after infecting his Android phone with malware. > The seller texted Mr Loh on WhatsApp and instructed him through voice messages to download a third-party app called Grab&Go on his phone. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/74-year-old-man-loses-70k-after-downloading-third-party-app-to-buy-roast-duck https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/74-year-old-man-loses...