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>Also, are the ultra-orthadox exempt from the military service that the rest of Israelis are required to enrol in? This seems like the only opportunity for ultr
by tguvot 3y ago
>Also, are the ultra-orthadox exempt from the military service that the rest of Israelis are required to enrol in? This seems like the only opportunity for ultra-orthadox Israelis to even be exposed to outside influences
both. they supposed to enroll to army but in case they study in yeshiva they typically avoid it, till they reach the age when army "looses" interest in you.
it's one of the major pain points in israeli politics/society. army supposed to be people army but big chunk of population avoids it and all the time tries to pushes through knesset laws to make this avoidance permanent and supreme court strikes it down (because it violates equality clause)
one of the reasons for the very messy supreme court reform in israel that been ongoing for past half an year is to allow to make law that will give permanent exception from army to orthodox . they even wanted to make recently law that equates tora study to army service
- beowa 3y ago> and supreme court strikes it down (because it violates equality clause) Interesting. Why is it that Arab Israelis are not required to serve then? Wouldn’t that same equality clause apply?
- tguvot 3y agogood point. no idea. druze and beduins serve. arabs are excluded from draft. i guess nobody ever tried to challenge this in a court. anecdotally, in past decades some arabs tend to volunteer to army/alternative service
- da-x 3y agoThe argument _for_ the exemption is that it will allow them to join the workforce and contribute to the economy, instead of staying in the yeshiva (which is currently a condition necessary to get the _current_ exemption, and which I think also furthers cements into the orthodox lifestyle). I wonder whether this argument can be tested before the exemption is actually given.
- fakedang 3y agoSo secular folks risk their lives in military service to secure the lives of these Haredis, and upon returning to civilian life find out that no jobs exist for them, because the (quite hated) Haredis have taken them up? Sounds like a very sound recipe for stability indeed.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoIn some countries with universal conscription that can be dodged, men who actually serve are more likely to be hired for desirable jobs. So, it could be that even if Haredim work in secular professions, those veterans would still have an advantage over them in the employment market and the Haredim wouldn't be viewed as ungrateful competition.
- wkat4242 3y agoThat's not the case everywhere. When I was young in the Netherlands it was pretty much frowned upon because conscripts would have nothing to do but smoke weed and clean some tanks for the 50th time. It was widely regarded as a waste of a year and a half. I'm very glad I was disqualified and it never was a barrier for me in life. I guess in countries where shots are actually fired in anger this experience may vary wildly.
- tguvot 3y agothe only difference is in jobs that require experience with weapon. no other advantages