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Being concerned about a credible threat isn't relevant when it comes to privacy. Everyone has a right to a certain amount of privacy. I actually think the owne

by glasss 3y ago

Being concerned about a credible threat isn't relevant when it comes to privacy. Everyone has a right to a certain amount of privacy. I actually think the ownership reporting is a good idea, but I feel the privacy concerns are the only valid criticism of it.

elcritch 3y ago
At least they should still report the name and company. The home address is too much perhaps, but owning a company IMHO seems like public Information.
- qwerty456127 3y ago
  > but owning a company IMHO seems like public Information. Why? What is a legitimate reason for anybody (except a tax authority, a bank or a court of law) to need to know who owns a business? I'm curious if there are any. For my whole life I never wanted to know this about any business. If a company would wrong me badly enough I would sue itself, then a court of law would summon the owner if necessary to resolve the case. How owning a company makes seriously more sense to be public information than owning anything else like a bookcase, a MacBook, a language skill or an HN account?
  - macNchz 3y ago
    Businesses operate in the public realm, buying/selling/providing services, and their owners have been known to leverage anonymity to conceal bad behavior, like fraudulent activity that keeps popping up under different names, corrupt dealing with government officials, etc. Regular people (e.g. journalists) are often important in uncovering these kinds of things, and knowing who actually profits when someone pays for a given thing is valuable in that way. One sort of amusing example from recent memory: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltdown-targets-alleged-ice-cream-truck-shell-corporation-scheme https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltd...
    - qwerty456127 3y ago
      > Regular people (e.g. journalists) are often important in uncovering these kinds of things, and knowing who actually profits when someone pays for a given thing is valuable in that way. Perhaps it is, but this doesn't mean it should be, nor that we can afford to leave it this way forever. It's a government agencies' job and we should rather fix them to the extent so they can do this job efficiently enough. Today the world has became so wild of information abusers that maintaining privacy/anonymity becomes a necessity even for a lawful good person to stay safe. This is why we really need trusted policing parties to be the only who have our data, this became important like never before and will only grow more important. Perhaps an alternative can be in creating licensed private agencies (to build competition and have agencies incentivized enough) and penalizing their wrongdoings severely so they think carefully before any move they do to make sure it can't destroy anyone's life unnecessarily. Even besides intentionally malevolent parties, any bullshit "journalist" from anywhere in the world can carelessly present your data in a catastrophically harmful way for sake of hype and click-bait and suing them (let alone neutralizing the harm they've done) will probably be nonviable for you. > One sort of amusing example from recent memory: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltd https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltd... To me defrauding the New York City (a $886 billion GDP entity) for $4.5 million in fines it potentially could have collected seems harmless enough to leave it unpunished when the alternative is to endanger every single person to loose comparable amounts (even when they don't have this much so they go negative). To me it seems more important to protect an ordinary human (e.g. under $10 mil. net worth so they can't hire an army of lawyers, enforcers and influences and give them a carte-blanche) from their life being ruined than protecting a multibillion dollar bureaucratic entity which just didn't care to build a system reliable enough to prevent some millions in lost profit from leaking through its fingers.
  - jmye 3y ago
    I want to know who I’m doing business with. It’s literally that simple. There’s absolutely no reason in the world to conceal that information from anyone.

by glasss 3y ago

elcritch 3y ago

At least they should still report the name and company. The home address is too much perhaps, but owning a company IMHO seems like public Information.

qwerty456127 3y ago
> but owning a company IMHO seems like public Information. Why? What is a legitimate reason for anybody (except a tax authority, a bank or a court of law) to need to know who owns a business? I'm curious if there are any. For my whole life I never wanted to know this about any business. If a company would wrong me badly enough I would sue itself, then a court of law would summon the owner if necessary to resolve the case. How owning a company makes seriously more sense to be public information than owning anything else like a bookcase, a MacBook, a language skill or an HN account?
- macNchz 3y ago
  Businesses operate in the public realm, buying/selling/providing services, and their owners have been known to leverage anonymity to conceal bad behavior, like fraudulent activity that keeps popping up under different names, corrupt dealing with government officials, etc. Regular people (e.g. journalists) are often important in uncovering these kinds of things, and knowing who actually profits when someone pays for a given thing is valuable in that way. One sort of amusing example from recent memory: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltdown-targets-alleged-ice-cream-truck-shell-corporation-scheme https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltd...
  - qwerty456127 3y ago
    > Regular people (e.g. journalists) are often important in uncovering these kinds of things, and knowing who actually profits when someone pays for a given thing is valuable in that way. Perhaps it is, but this doesn't mean it should be, nor that we can afford to leave it this way forever. It's a government agencies' job and we should rather fix them to the extent so they can do this job efficiently enough. Today the world has became so wild of information abusers that maintaining privacy/anonymity becomes a necessity even for a lawful good person to stay safe. This is why we really need trusted policing parties to be the only who have our data, this became important like never before and will only grow more important. Perhaps an alternative can be in creating licensed private agencies (to build competition and have agencies incentivized enough) and penalizing their wrongdoings severely so they think carefully before any move they do to make sure it can't destroy anyone's life unnecessarily. Even besides intentionally malevolent parties, any bullshit "journalist" from anywhere in the world can carelessly present your data in a catastrophically harmful way for sake of hype and click-bait and suing them (let alone neutralizing the harm they've done) will probably be nonviable for you. > One sort of amusing example from recent memory: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltd https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730375237/nyc-operation-meltd... To me defrauding the New York City (a $886 billion GDP entity) for $4.5 million in fines it potentially could have collected seems harmless enough to leave it unpunished when the alternative is to endanger every single person to loose comparable amounts (even when they don't have this much so they go negative). To me it seems more important to protect an ordinary human (e.g. under $10 mil. net worth so they can't hire an army of lawyers, enforcers and influences and give them a carte-blanche) from their life being ruined than protecting a multibillion dollar bureaucratic entity which just didn't care to build a system reliable enough to prevent some millions in lost profit from leaking through its fingers.
- jmye 3y ago
  I want to know who I’m doing business with. It’s literally that simple. There’s absolutely no reason in the world to conceal that information from anyone.