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That is his whole play - more than anything, US conservatives want liberals to be humiliated and angry, and Elon delivers, and that is the ONLY way owning an EV

That is his whole play - more than anything, US conservatives want liberals to be humiliated and angry, and Elon delivers, and that is the ONLY way owning an EV can be palatable to that crowd.

pbj1968 3y ago
They will convert at precisely the moment it makes economic sense.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Some will. My brother in law is a hardcore Trump supporter and he drives a Chevy Bolt. The TCO on that car beats every ICE vehicle. Every last one. If it were just economics, EVs are a winner for the majority of average folks already. It's not that simple. Ideology is more important.
- bdcravens 3y ago
  There are those who may not - those who see the EV subsidies as a symptom of the "woke mindvirus" and see fighting it as a matter of fighting for their overall way of life. They see the mandates some states are pushing as an assault on freedom, and a communist incursion, and the use of petroleum as a patriotic exercise.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    Remove the partisan blather and you're on to something. It is the mandates, the top-down control based on incomplete and often false premises and the holier-than-thou attitude that drives people away from these "moon shot projects". Once EVs make economical and practical sense people will flock to them but that will take a while a while for many people, especially those with longer commutes and those who live in the more northerly/wintry areas. If you live in places where the sun always shines and have the space for a good-sized solar array it already makes sense, elsewhere - not so much.
    - deprecative 3y ago
      Simple: remove all subsidies for ICE cars and everything they use.
- LastTrain 3y ago
  Yeah… because f350s make so much economic sense…
bdcravens 3y ago
I don't really believe it, but I wouldn't be entirely shocked if we learn MAGA Elon was just a persona who adopted to win over the relatively untapped market.
lotsoweiners 3y ago
I think that is just what you’re being led to believe. I meet pretty hardcore conservatives all the time who have Teslas or other EVs. Hell, I can walk to the end of my street and there is a front door covered with a large Trump flag that has 2 EVs, a Model 3 and some Ford, in the garage.
- LastTrain 3y ago
  No one has 'led' me to believe this because I've not heard anyone else say it. If you are trying to tell me that US conservatives have not politicized renewable energy in general and EV ownership in particular you are being naïve or dishonest. Musk is a salesman and has exploited this by doing what has worked for US conservatives since Rush Limbaugh- acting stupid and obnoxious.

That is his whole play - more than anything, US conservatives want liberals to be humiliated and angry, and Elon delivers, and that is the ONLY way owning an EV can be palatable to that crowd.

pbj1968 3y ago

They will convert at precisely the moment it makes economic sense.

rootusrootus 3y ago
Some will. My brother in law is a hardcore Trump supporter and he drives a Chevy Bolt. The TCO on that car beats every ICE vehicle. Every last one. If it were just economics, EVs are a winner for the majority of average folks already. It's not that simple. Ideology is more important.
bdcravens 3y ago
There are those who may not - those who see the EV subsidies as a symptom of the "woke mindvirus" and see fighting it as a matter of fighting for their overall way of life. They see the mandates some states are pushing as an assault on freedom, and a communist incursion, and the use of petroleum as a patriotic exercise.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  Remove the partisan blather and you're on to something. It is the mandates, the top-down control based on incomplete and often false premises and the holier-than-thou attitude that drives people away from these "moon shot projects". Once EVs make economical and practical sense people will flock to them but that will take a while a while for many people, especially those with longer commutes and those who live in the more northerly/wintry areas. If you live in places where the sun always shines and have the space for a good-sized solar array it already makes sense, elsewhere - not so much.
  - deprecative 3y ago
    Simple: remove all subsidies for ICE cars and everything they use.
LastTrain 3y ago
Yeah… because f350s make so much economic sense…

bdcravens 3y ago

I don't really believe it, but I wouldn't be entirely shocked if we learn MAGA Elon was just a persona who adopted to win over the relatively untapped market.

lotsoweiners 3y ago

I think that is just what you’re being led to believe. I meet pretty hardcore conservatives all the time who have Teslas or other EVs. Hell, I can walk to the end of my street and there is a front door covered with a large Trump flag that has 2 EVs, a Model 3 and some Ford, in the garage.

LastTrain 3y ago
No one has 'led' me to believe this because I've not heard anyone else say it. If you are trying to tell me that US conservatives have not politicized renewable energy in general and EV ownership in particular you are being naïve or dishonest. Musk is a salesman and has exploited this by doing what has worked for US conservatives since Rush Limbaugh- acting stupid and obnoxious.