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> People in the US just don't understand the level of economic and industrial espionage that happens in China on a daily basis. Back in my day this was called
by diogenes4 3y ago
> People in the US just don't understand the level of economic and industrial espionage that happens in China on a daily basis.
Back in my day this was called "competition" and worked for the consumer, not against them. I find the espionage factor to be theatrical hogwash trotted out by the corporate types. We americans love competition, right? Stfu and compete.
- oh_sigh 3y agoWhat it would do is punish companies that do real R&D, and reward companies that have no actual talent in that area. So ultimately the field would stagnate because no one would invest in R&D.
- Proziam 3y agoIs it "competition" when you're up against state-sponsored actors who will use tactics the rest of the world would consider illegal?
- phendrenad2 3y agoYou're missing a huge part of this: The "competition" you think you're referring to had, you know, actual rules. Sending people to get jobs at a rival, and steal all of their internal documents and trade secrets, is illegal in most countries.
- diogenes4 3y ago> You're missing a huge part of this: The "competition" you think you're referring to had, you know, actual rules This is, of course, false.
- phendrenad2 3y agoCompetition has no rules? Jury awards ZeniMax $500 million in Oculus VR lawsuit? I guess they made up some rules, no?
- diogenes4 3y agowell, the us only pretends to like free market politics. in reality rich dickwads like regulation just fine, namely in the form of protecting the value of their property.
- treyd 3y agoPerhaps we should reframe how intellectual property works to make secrecy no longer desirable and allow industries that rely on "trade secrets" to realign naturally.
- ffhhttt 3y agoPerhaps (well.. almost certainly) that would disincentivize any of the companies in these industry from innovating at all (if you can’t gain any edge by additional investment since anything you do will be stolen you might as well start stealing if that cheaper). This would also especially favor large mega corporations as long as they are efficient enough (due to obvious reasons).
- treyd 3y agoMost substantial technological innovation is either funded by government grants or is publicly funded in some other way in the first place. It's a myth that IP laws protect innovation, they protect profits of corporations that add very little to the process on their own.
- TheGigaChad 3y ago[dead]
- rfrey 3y agoWhen exactly was this "day" when industrial espionage was legal?
- diogenes4 3y agoIt is legal. The us has no power over china's ip. the closest you're going to get to illegal is "violates a trade agreement", and what's the us gonna do, invade china? the cope levels here are extreme.
- fmbb 3y agoIn the US, before 1996. The economic power of the USA was arguably built on it.
- concordDance 3y agoI'm a bit confused what that would look like. Sending Americans to China to steal their secrets wouldn't work because the Chinese wouldn't hire them for exactly this reason.