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iPhone 15 Pro with X70 modem offers up to 24% faster 5G speeds
- vxxzy 3y agoSeeing as how latency did not decrease from the previous generation, is it fair to say that existing latency is inherently tied to 5G (and other) wireless protocol(s)?
- supertrope 3y agoLook for standalone 5G (SA) if you want lower latency. Most 5G is actually bonding 5G channel(s) to a main 4G control channel(s) so it has 4G latency.
- fy20 3y agoWasn't lower latency one of the big selling points of 5G...?
- inkyoto 3y ago> […] latency is inherently tied to 5G (and other) wireless protocol(s)? It is tied to 5G but not to the wireless network. It is tied to the 5G core (wired) network design where the device's IP traffic terminates at each cell site that has its own IP connection to a uplink ISP. Therefore, each cell site is also an exit node for the IP traffic. 5G has incorporated this design feature for two major reasons: 1) reduced latency, 2) mobile edge computing where compute nodes could placed at the cell site location to offload computations to (think Cloudflare worker style nodes that a mobile device can send off a compute unit to and get results quickly. Practically, I do not think anyone has implemented the mobile edge computing other than placing game servers next the cell). In 3G and 4G, on the hand, IP packets had to travel across the entire core network of a mobile operator and exit the core network at a single point which resulter in a higher latency.
- prennert 3y agoI think the edge compute on the 5G towers is mostly an industry application in dedicated private networks rather than public networks for end users. For example, a factory might use 5G as their wireless networking stack (instead of Wi-Fi) to collect sensor data from machines, robots, process nodes, moving inventory, etc and place the compute at the tower to filter what data to forward to the cloud, or to implement some control logic.
- GoToRO 3y agodo they still lie about signal strength?
- KptMarchewa 3y agoNo, you're just holding it wrong.
- behnamoh 3y agofunny how adding the most basic thing—a 23 yo USB C ('cuz it has USB 2 speeds on the non-Pro iPhone)—is mentioned as a feature you should upgrade your iPhone for...
- rbliss 3y ago> "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." -- Slashdot creator CmdrTaco/Rob Malda about the iPod in 2001. I can’t remember the last time I connected my iPhone to a computer to do a data transfer.
- bhouston 3y agoIn fairness, this was a relatively lackluster update to the iPhone. There is little difference between the iPhones 11 to 15 for normal consumers. It suggests upgrade cycles can lengthen as a result.
- MonaroVXR 3y agoIf you buy the iPhone 11 right now, you will get 1 version update and that's it. You will still get security updates I guess.
- Jtsummers 3y agoWhere has it been stated that iPhone 11 will only get one more (presumably iOS 17?) update?
- AnonC 3y agoNowhere. The release of iOS 17 will support iPhone XR/XS, which is one generation older than iPhone 11. GP probably means iPhone 11 will get iOS 18 next year and no more OS upgrades after that (based on the fact that iPhone X is not getting iOS 17, iPhone XS may not get iOS 18, and so on). While Apple does not guarantee or publish a guarantee about how many years of major OS versions and security updates iPhones will get, it’s typically been about six or seven years of major OS version upgrades (from original device release) and another two or more years of security updates. The iPhone 11 was released in 2019 with iOS 13. When it’ll stop getting a new iOS version is up to Apple.
- bhouston 3y agoHere in Canada my iPhone 12 is reporting that in many places I am on a 5G+ network and on that network I get above 300MBps. So I am confused by this article that says the new iPhone 15 can finally now achieve those speeds. My phone can do that and it is 3 years old.
- trustingtrust 3y agoHere in India my iPhone 13 has delivered me gigabit speeds. And it's not just me my friends also get those speeds at times (early morning usually when networks aren't busy). So the iPhone supports well over gigabit speeds on 5G already. That being said during day time I have seen speeds below 10mbps on 5G so it is very traffic dependent and has nothing to do with the pro being more capable so its faster. Edit: Apparently if you are farther the Pro is better. Could be interesting but if the tower is bogged down with traffic it won't help anyway in my case.
- kahnclusions 3y agoHere in Taipei I get pretty close to gigabit download speeds in good conditions. Upload only around 150Mbit though.
- kalleboo 3y agoThey're looking at average speeds seen in the dataset of the users of their speed-test app. So the idea is instead of looking at peak speeds in good conditions, looking at actual speeds in real-life conditions, to see how well the modem deals with cell selection, poor reception, congested networks, etc. That said, the phone isn't out yet? Where is this data coming from? If it's all staff at Apple Campus that's not going to be a realistic comparison.
- NullPrefix 3y ago>My phone can do that and it is 3 years old Soon it won't, because of the impending SAR issue patch
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- skavi 3y agoWhat happened to Apple’s efforts to design their own modem? Are those still ongoing?
- travisporter 3y agohttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/apple-extends-5g-chip-deal-with-qualcomm-to-2026/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/apple...
- tiffanyh 3y agoWhat’s unclear is if that deal is for new phone models or old. Keep in mind Apple has a strategy where they graduate down new phones and sell previous year models for 3-4 years after it was first introduced. This could just be Apple needing Qualcomm licensing/chips for iPhone 14 models since they will continue selling that model for a few more years.
- Schiendelman 3y agoThat’s a really interesting point - thank you!
- ksec 3y agoYes, but their first Modem will likely come to SE or other product range before going to flagship. Although I wont be surprised if it ends up being like Apple Car Project.
- MagicMoonlight 3y agoIf I was in charge of Apple Car I would have just bought a model of VW or something, stripped the interior and put in an Apple finish. VW already does that a ton so it’s very easy to do. Then they could focus on their specialty, the experience. It should be the most enjoyable car you’ve ever used. You don’t need bullshit like self-driving, just fix all the rough areas other manufacturers have.
- ashishgautam0 3y agoDoes it even matter for most of us?
- supertrope 3y agoYes but in a subtle manner. While hundreds of Mbps is well past the point of finishing returns for one individual, that pool of bandwidth is shared between all customers in a sector. Rising peak speeds helps reduce the likelihood of congestion. To use a strained analogy rising car fuel economy keeps national gasoline demand flat even with more people driving than ever before.
- rhester 3y agoWeird. I get 700Mbps+ in Canada on iPhone 14 Pro.
- gruez 3y agoThose are average speeds across the country, not best/peak speeds. My guess is that the modem supports more efficient encoding and/or has better signal to noise ratio so given the same radio conditions they can get more bandwidth. Either that, or there's sampling bias where the new phone is more likely to be owned by urban customers, which have better speeds compared to rural customers and thus skewing the average.
- kalleboo 3y agoThe phone isn't even out yet, so the only users must be Apple staff. Maybe by now priority reviewers like MKBHD have them?
- drewg123 3y agoWhat happened to upload speeds? I remember ~10 years ago, LTE speeds on my carrier (T-Mobile) were in excess of 75Mb/s. Now we're down to about 1/3 of that. Is there some channels tradeoff in 5G, like DOCIS, where there are a finite number of channels that can be either upload or download, and carriers give more channels to download? Or is it just carriers being carriers and sucking on metrics that are not widely advertised?
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