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Because no programmer is going to sign that. They'll go somewhere else. Musicians and writers don't usually have as many options, if any.

ryandrake 3y ago
Many programmers sign this. I directly know that at least two FAANG employers (and probably all of them), have extremely broad copyright assignment clauses in their employment agreements that claim ownership of every software you create, on or off the clock, using company equipment or your own equipment. And many people work for these companies. Whether these are enforceable or not doesn't matter because a lone developer is not going to go up against an army of corporate lawyers to find out.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  Yeesh. Once again glad to be a 1X who doesn't work for a FAANG and has non-tech hobbies. I would argue those are exceptional cases. Outside of these prestige brands, you get a lot more leeway.
  - School-Cotton 3y ago
    Plenty of average people work at faang, and anyway, these terms are also common at less famous companies.
flaviut 3y ago
> Because no programmer is going to sign that. I have. I got an extra $130k out of it. It's a work of art. Even this comment is a violation of the agreement, since I don't own the copyright to anything I do apparently, either in or out of the scope of my employment, so therefore I can't give Y Combinator a license to display this comment. I even talked to the company's legal team about the absurdity of the agreement & they were unwilling to budge. The relevant portion of the agreement, for your reading amusement: https://pastebin.com/ZF9MEkfG https://pastebin.com/ZF9MEkfG
- Tao3300 3y ago
  That's hilariously evil. You should leave a logic bomb of anonymous hate speech to disclose as belonging to them in case they ever want to enforce it.
School-Cotton 3y ago
> Because no programmer is going to sign that. Completely false. Most people sign job contracts without thinking too hard. And side projects just aren’t important for the majority of programmers, so why would they care?

ryandrake 3y ago

Many programmers sign this. I directly know that at least two FAANG employers (and probably all of them), have extremely broad copyright assignment clauses in their employment agreements that claim ownership of every software you create, on or off the clock, using company equipment or your own equipment. And many people work for these companies. Whether these are enforceable or not doesn't matter because a lone developer is not going to go up against an army of corporate lawyers to find out.

Tao3300 3y ago
Yeesh. Once again glad to be a 1X who doesn't work for a FAANG and has non-tech hobbies. I would argue those are exceptional cases. Outside of these prestige brands, you get a lot more leeway.
- School-Cotton 3y ago
  Plenty of average people work at faang, and anyway, these terms are also common at less famous companies.

flaviut 3y ago

> Because no programmer is going to sign that. I have. I got an extra $130k out of it. It's a work of art. Even this comment is a violation of the agreement, since I don't own the copyright to anything I do apparently, either in or out of the scope of my employment, so therefore I can't give Y Combinator a license to display this comment. I even talked to the company's legal team about the absurdity of the agreement & they were unwilling to budge. The relevant portion of the agreement, for your reading amusement: https://pastebin.com/ZF9MEkfG https://pastebin.com/ZF9MEkfG

Tao3300 3y ago
That's hilariously evil. You should leave a logic bomb of anonymous hate speech to disclose as belonging to them in case they ever want to enforce it.

School-Cotton 3y ago

> Because no programmer is going to sign that. Completely false. Most people sign job contracts without thinking too hard. And side projects just aren’t important for the majority of programmers, so why would they care?