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>> What would a non-anemic STD look like? More like the standard libraries found in C++, Ada, Go, or Python. Why can't Rust do something like C++ does with Bo

>> What would a non-anemic STD look like? More like the standard libraries found in C++, Ada, Go, or Python. Why can't Rust do something like C++ does with Boost? If everyone is using a given crate (for example, serde) why not "adopt" it into the standard library? Give the maintainer a plaque that looks cool and a small fee for initial adoption and a recurring stipend for continued maintenance. The crate becomes official, gets guaranteed maintenance and there is less need to reinvent the wheel or worry that a good crate will go unmaintained or have issues.

steveklabnik 3y ago
Note that boost is also not the C++ standard library. A few people have tried to make boost-like meta-packages in Rust over the years, but in practice, people don’t use them, and they die out. Also, like, serde's main maintainer is also a member of the libs team, so it being moved into the standard library meaning more maintenance doesn't really make sense to me.
- thesuperbigfrog 3y ago
  >> Note that boost is also not the C++ standard library. I know, but many components that are now in the C++ standard library were previously in Boost or were heavily influenced by / inspired by Boost: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59912393/boost-libraries-that-made-it-into-the-c-standard https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59912393/boost-libraries... Similar events also happened in Java 8 with the Joda time library: https://www.joda.org/joda-time/ https://www.joda.org/joda-time/ >> serde's main maintainer is also a member of the libs team, so it being moved into the standard library meaning more maintenance doesn't really make sense to me. I did not know that. I was just using serde as an example of a widely-used crate that feels essential enough to be included in the Rust standard library. At what point does a third-party crate become so useful that it might be considered for inclusion in the Rust standard library? Is there a process for adding crates to the Rust standard library? If so, how do such crates get nominated and approved?
  - steveklabnik 3y ago
    The process is roughly the same as the boost one: the rust project maintains a number of packages outside the standard library, such as regex. Projects may graduate from the community to being owned by the project. And then, if the team decides that it's a good decision, a package owned by the project can move into the standard library. It happens pretty rarely because there is not much advantage to doing so, but the path does exist.

steveklabnik 3y ago

Note that boost is also not the C++ standard library. A few people have tried to make boost-like meta-packages in Rust over the years, but in practice, people don’t use them, and they die out. Also, like, serde's main maintainer is also a member of the libs team, so it being moved into the standard library meaning more maintenance doesn't really make sense to me.

thesuperbigfrog 3y ago
>> Note that boost is also not the C++ standard library. I know, but many components that are now in the C++ standard library were previously in Boost or were heavily influenced by / inspired by Boost: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59912393/boost-libraries-that-made-it-into-the-c-standard https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59912393/boost-libraries... Similar events also happened in Java 8 with the Joda time library: https://www.joda.org/joda-time/ https://www.joda.org/joda-time/ >> serde's main maintainer is also a member of the libs team, so it being moved into the standard library meaning more maintenance doesn't really make sense to me. I did not know that. I was just using serde as an example of a widely-used crate that feels essential enough to be included in the Rust standard library. At what point does a third-party crate become so useful that it might be considered for inclusion in the Rust standard library? Is there a process for adding crates to the Rust standard library? If so, how do such crates get nominated and approved?
- steveklabnik 3y ago
  The process is roughly the same as the boost one: the rust project maintains a number of packages outside the standard library, such as regex. Projects may graduate from the community to being owned by the project. And then, if the team decides that it's a good decision, a package owned by the project can move into the standard library. It happens pretty rarely because there is not much advantage to doing so, but the path does exist.