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> "You support it for 6 years or give us code, else we will take our million chip order to competition" should be enough QCM has: a) YEARS of RnD -> Patents o

> "You support it for 6 years or give us code, else we will take our million chip order to competition" should be enough QCM has: a) YEARS of RnD -> Patents on cellular tech. b) YEARS of experience making the modems (on both ends of the link!) compared to the other players in the space. Where is google going to go here? Can't do huawei because sanctions. Can't do MediaTek or Samsung because their modems are inferior in almost every way (speed, bandwith, power consumption ...). Intel never was a serious player and I don't think they're in the space at all anymore.

ac29 3y ago
> Where is google going to go here? > Can't do huawei because sanctions. Can't do MediaTek or Samsung because their modems are inferior in almost every way (speed, bandwith, power consumption ...). Google has been using Samsung modems since the Pixel 6.
- baby_souffle 3y ago
  > Google has been using Samsung modems since the Pixel 6. "This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." (with apologies to Douglas Adams!) The various google/android/pixel discussion forums are _full_ of "the p6/7 is a regression compared to p4/5" threads. I can confirm that I get much more reliable connectivity with my p4 compared to my p6 and my p7 is only marginally better than the 6. Regardless, my *whole point* is that it's not a coincidence that we start getting "extended support periods" when QCM isn't supplying the CPU. Up until ~2020 (when the p6 would have been under development) there was no serious competition in this space and that's why google and pretty much every other android device used QCM. Now that there's a second option that's even remotely close to QCM in performance, the OEMs are taking it ... and we're getting extended support as a result. Samsung will have "won" when even QCM has to capitulate and starts offering extended support.
ilyt 3y ago
Then it needs to be a law so there is no choice for chip manufacturers.
- paulmd 3y ago
  laws are only for banning apple products. sadly nobody cares about the ways in which android generates its copious e-waste streams with its own planned obsolescence, the “but the e-waste!” deflections stop the moment you suggest that maybe android vendors should be legally required to provide first-party parts supply and software updates. All the communism and “it’s what’s right for the planet” vanishes in a poof of fanboy. nobody really cares about cables generating e-waste or whatever horseshit, it was always about finding a way to use the legal system to resolve the arguments the android fans couldn’t win in the marketplace of ideas, and sticking a thumb in the eye of their fellow man.

ac29 3y ago

> Where is google going to go here? > Can't do huawei because sanctions. Can't do MediaTek or Samsung because their modems are inferior in almost every way (speed, bandwith, power consumption ...). Google has been using Samsung modems since the Pixel 6.

baby_souffle 3y ago
> Google has been using Samsung modems since the Pixel 6. "This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." (with apologies to Douglas Adams!) The various google/android/pixel discussion forums are _full_ of "the p6/7 is a regression compared to p4/5" threads. I can confirm that I get much more reliable connectivity with my p4 compared to my p6 and my p7 is only marginally better than the 6. Regardless, my *whole point* is that it's not a coincidence that we start getting "extended support periods" when QCM isn't supplying the CPU. Up until ~2020 (when the p6 would have been under development) there was no serious competition in this space and that's why google and pretty much every other android device used QCM. Now that there's a second option that's even remotely close to QCM in performance, the OEMs are taking it ... and we're getting extended support as a result. Samsung will have "won" when even QCM has to capitulate and starts offering extended support.

ilyt 3y ago

Then it needs to be a law so there is no choice for chip manufacturers.

paulmd 3y ago
laws are only for banning apple products. sadly nobody cares about the ways in which android generates its copious e-waste streams with its own planned obsolescence, the “but the e-waste!” deflections stop the moment you suggest that maybe android vendors should be legally required to provide first-party parts supply and software updates. All the communism and “it’s what’s right for the planet” vanishes in a poof of fanboy. nobody really cares about cables generating e-waste or whatever horseshit, it was always about finding a way to use the legal system to resolve the arguments the android fans couldn’t win in the marketplace of ideas, and sticking a thumb in the eye of their fellow man.