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What is this article? Why is it citing three seemingly non noteworthy people’s opinions and crediting them with their former roles as a headline takeaway? Are

What is this article? Why is it citing three seemingly non noteworthy people’s opinions and crediting them with their former roles as a headline takeaway? Are we to take away that they are currently unemployed?

_8j50 3y ago
Their former roles and industry experience is why they are noteworthy and being quoted. I have no idea why your takeaway is that, if I said "I used to live in san francisco" would your takeaway be that I now live homeless outside of any city? And if the subject was about measuring crime in san francisco, would former SFPD cops being quotes seem abnormal to you?
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  I do think it would be very strange to write an article with the headline “Ex-Cops mock a new office policy” It’s a very pointless article and it’s strange to focus on a few random people’s opinions on something that does not have obvious importance. Especially when hundreds of thousands of workers who are active. One of these people seem to be a former entry level worker. Why? This is less valid than “some people on Twitter said”
  - plasma_beam 3y ago
    Gergely Orosz has a very popular blog/newsletter and has posted on the McKinsey report. https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/author/gergely/ https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/author/gergely/ https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-developer-productivity https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-develop... https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-developer-productivity-part-2 https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-develop...
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      That should be explained in the article then! Not citing his former role!
    - chris11 3y ago
      The newsletter is much better than the posted article. It's a detailed critique and discusses alternatives. Efinancialcareers posts a lot of low effort blog posts.
asplake 3y ago
Doing the rounds just about everywhere: “Yes, you can measure software developer productivity” https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/technology-media-and-telecommunications/our-insights/yes-you-can-measure-software-developer-productivity https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/technology-media-and-tel...
ebiester 3y ago
Dave Farley, Kent Beck and Gergely Orosz are hardly non-noteworthy people. Farley is best known as being a significant contributor to Continuous Delivery. Kent Beck was an initial signatory to the agile manifesto. Gergely Orosz has four books to his credit and has a significant following. Farley didn't mock them - he had open contempt. Beck and Orosz wrote a great critique, but had no mocking involved. But calling them ex-fintech is kind of like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is an ex-CrossFit gym owner. While technically true, it's not the relevant accomplishment in most conversations.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Ok! So that makes sense. These are people with some credibility and authority. Why the hell is this not mentioned in the article in favor of their former jobs?!
  - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
    Because the content of an argument should trump the last title someone held?
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      That may apply to logical debate, but it does not apply to persuasive writing nor interesting reporting. Writing about a person and providing background information about their former job but not about the facts that make them pertinent to the subject matter is dumb.
  - ebiester 3y ago
    It's an article written by someone outside the community with low context, and likely for $20 or something similar. It's a low quality article.

_8j50 3y ago

Their former roles and industry experience is why they are noteworthy and being quoted. I have no idea why your takeaway is that, if I said "I used to live in san francisco" would your takeaway be that I now live homeless outside of any city? And if the subject was about measuring crime in san francisco, would former SFPD cops being quotes seem abnormal to you?

jncfhnb 3y ago
I do think it would be very strange to write an article with the headline “Ex-Cops mock a new office policy” It’s a very pointless article and it’s strange to focus on a few random people’s opinions on something that does not have obvious importance. Especially when hundreds of thousands of workers who are active. One of these people seem to be a former entry level worker. Why? This is less valid than “some people on Twitter said”
- plasma_beam 3y ago
  Gergely Orosz has a very popular blog/newsletter and has posted on the McKinsey report. https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/author/gergely/ https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/author/gergely/ https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-developer-productivity https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-develop... https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-developer-productivity-part-2 https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/measuring-develop...
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    That should be explained in the article then! Not citing his former role!
  - chris11 3y ago
    The newsletter is much better than the posted article. It's a detailed critique and discusses alternatives. Efinancialcareers posts a lot of low effort blog posts.

asplake 3y ago

Doing the rounds just about everywhere: “Yes, you can measure software developer productivity” https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/technology-media-and-telecommunications/our-insights/yes-you-can-measure-software-developer-productivity https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/technology-media-and-tel...

ebiester 3y ago

Dave Farley, Kent Beck and Gergely Orosz are hardly non-noteworthy people. Farley is best known as being a significant contributor to Continuous Delivery. Kent Beck was an initial signatory to the agile manifesto. Gergely Orosz has four books to his credit and has a significant following. Farley didn't mock them - he had open contempt. Beck and Orosz wrote a great critique, but had no mocking involved. But calling them ex-fintech is kind of like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is an ex-CrossFit gym owner. While technically true, it's not the relevant accomplishment in most conversations.

jncfhnb 3y ago
Ok! So that makes sense. These are people with some credibility and authority. Why the hell is this not mentioned in the article in favor of their former jobs?!
- syndicatedjelly 3y ago
  Because the content of an argument should trump the last title someone held?
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    That may apply to logical debate, but it does not apply to persuasive writing nor interesting reporting. Writing about a person and providing background information about their former job but not about the facts that make them pertinent to the subject matter is dumb.
- ebiester 3y ago
  It's an article written by someone outside the community with low context, and likely for $20 or something similar. It's a low quality article.