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I've yet to have a USB C port fail for what it's worth. Apple had plenty of opportunities to be involved in the development of USB C (they are on the forum). T

by km3r 3y ago

I've yet to have a USB C port fail for what it's worth. Apple had plenty of opportunities to be involved in the development of USB C (they are on the forum). They also could have opened up lightning as an option for USB C. Fighting against using common standards for so long has left them to the whims of others. Be part of the global tech stack instead of a dead end.

hartator 3y ago
USB is a private organization and you pay a fee per connector. USB lobbying won over the EU. Nothing to celebrate indeed.
- dvngnt_ 3y ago
  I'm celebrating using one cord to charge headphones, mouse, laptop, android and iOS phones
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Apple likes to shoot themselves in the foot by insisting on keeping things proprietary that don't need to be kept proprietary. This whole episode is one big unforced error on Apple's part.
  - stouset 3y ago
    This is your regular reminder that the USB-C port design was published two years after devices with a Lightning port started shipping.
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      So? Lightning is patented. The design aspects that made it better are literally illegal for anyone else to use. Apple was greedy when it came to something that didn't matter, and they ended up losing out in the long run as a result. An old tale, oft told.
      - stouset 3y ago
        Where and how exactly has Apple “lost out”?
        CamperBob2 3y ago
        They are presently being ordered at gunpoint to redesign their hardware, but I can see how some people might consider that a win, given the right combination of drugs and talk therapy. Turning Lightning over to the USB Forum could have prevented this. Lightning is good enough to supplant the mediocre USB C connector, but it's not good enough on its own to sell phones.
- buildbot 3y ago
  This is actually pretty annoying in my opinion - almost a USA level of corporate welfare. Here’s your royalties forever! …
- smoldesu 3y ago
  Apple made their bed here, now they have to sleep in it. Supporting 2 different serial cables for no discernible purpose is borderline highway robbery and an insult to their userbase. If they didn't like USB-C, they shouldn't have designed protocols around it and used it for a decade in their Pro hardware. If they didn't want to adopt USB-C, they should have put more effort into making Lightning a viable alternative. You don't get to play the helplessness card when talking about the largest business in the world. I don't trust any of these companies as far as I could throw them. Circumstantially, I'd rather USB-IF hold Apple accountable, since Apple holding themselves accountable just leads to DRM for serial data.
  - sbuk 3y ago
    You do realise that Apple offered Lightning as a design to the USB-IF? It was rejected by the other members in favour of the obviously inferior Micro USB. Lightning’s versatility did eventually turn heads at the USB-IF, leading to the development of USB Type C, which was driven largely by Apple and Google.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      They were right to reject it. Lightning is encumbered with multiple royalties and implementation patents that made it more of a glorified prototype than a reasonable proposal. USB-IF would be mocked for accepting Apple's offering as-written.
- coder543 3y ago
  > you pay a fee per connector Hmm, going to have to put a [citation needed] on that. I do not believe that is true at all. Organizations that wish to use the USB logo and have a vendor ID will likely pay an annual fee and devices must undergo certification[0], but not on a per-device or per-connector basis. I've never heard of USB charging a fee per connector. [0]: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/450497 https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/450497
nmca 3y ago
I've had my last four phones get issues due to usb-c. The standardization is worth it, but goddman I wish they had standardized on a better physical port.
- Steltek 3y ago
  This is unquestionably the best physical port. The port you want does not exist. Find me a connector that does everything USB-C can do. High speeds. High power charging. Alt modes. Mobile friendly size. Lightning is good for the meager feature set that iPhones support. It is absolutely awful for everyone else that is used to a vast, feature rich ecosystem.
  - mwint 3y ago
    My iPhone 14 charges fast enough. Any file transfers go over airdrop, which is fast enough. The port is smaller than USB-C. I can clean it by rummaging around in it with a toothpick and not worrying about breaking stuff. USB-C is an unambiguous downgrade for me, and I wish they had just welded an adapter into the port for EU customers.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Why does it have to do simply everything? What's that saying? Jack of all trades, master of none? The "meager" support that lightning supports means it's better suited for things that go in pockets where lint lives, than usb-c ever could be. That it's not an open standard is a problem, but let's be honest that it does have advantages over usb-c.
    - ianburrell 3y ago
      Lightning only support USB2 data speeds. The iPad Pro or iPhone 15 Pro have USB3 data speeds because of USB-C (iPhone 15 only does USB2). People don't plug in their phones much, but it makes a big difference for the initial transfer. The Lightning AV adapter is limited speed to resolution it can support. The iPhone 15 supports 4K with USB-C. The advantage of USB-C that can use the same connector for your headphones, phone, to computer. You can use one charger and cables. The cables and adapters have multiple sources instead of just Apple.
swamp40 3y ago
They fail constantly in cheap Chromebooks. And then there is no other way to charge the laptop, so it is junk unless you get inside and replace it.
keep_reading 3y ago
> Apple had plenty of opportunities to be involved in the development of USB C (they are on the forum). They are actively involved. That's how Thunderbolt 3 and 4 exist and use USB-C connectors
guilhas 3y ago
Had 3 Pixels, all with slightly loose USB-C, needing to adjust the charger up and down, or even buying a new cable

by km3r 3y ago

hartator 3y ago

USB is a private organization and you pay a fee per connector. USB lobbying won over the EU. Nothing to celebrate indeed.

dvngnt_ 3y ago
I'm celebrating using one cord to charge headphones, mouse, laptop, android and iOS phones
CamperBob2 3y ago
Apple likes to shoot themselves in the foot by insisting on keeping things proprietary that don't need to be kept proprietary. This whole episode is one big unforced error on Apple's part.
- stouset 3y ago
  This is your regular reminder that the USB-C port design was published two years after devices with a Lightning port started shipping.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    So? Lightning is patented. The design aspects that made it better are literally illegal for anyone else to use. Apple was greedy when it came to something that didn't matter, and they ended up losing out in the long run as a result. An old tale, oft told.
    - stouset 3y ago
      Where and how exactly has Apple “lost out”?
      - CamperBob2 3y ago
        They are presently being ordered at gunpoint to redesign their hardware, but I can see how some people might consider that a win, given the right combination of drugs and talk therapy. Turning Lightning over to the USB Forum could have prevented this. Lightning is good enough to supplant the mediocre USB C connector, but it's not good enough on its own to sell phones.
buildbot 3y ago
This is actually pretty annoying in my opinion - almost a USA level of corporate welfare. Here’s your royalties forever! …
smoldesu 3y ago
Apple made their bed here, now they have to sleep in it. Supporting 2 different serial cables for no discernible purpose is borderline highway robbery and an insult to their userbase. If they didn't like USB-C, they shouldn't have designed protocols around it and used it for a decade in their Pro hardware. If they didn't want to adopt USB-C, they should have put more effort into making Lightning a viable alternative. You don't get to play the helplessness card when talking about the largest business in the world. I don't trust any of these companies as far as I could throw them. Circumstantially, I'd rather USB-IF hold Apple accountable, since Apple holding themselves accountable just leads to DRM for serial data.
- sbuk 3y ago
  You do realise that Apple offered Lightning as a design to the USB-IF? It was rejected by the other members in favour of the obviously inferior Micro USB. Lightning’s versatility did eventually turn heads at the USB-IF, leading to the development of USB Type C, which was driven largely by Apple and Google.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    They were right to reject it. Lightning is encumbered with multiple royalties and implementation patents that made it more of a glorified prototype than a reasonable proposal. USB-IF would be mocked for accepting Apple's offering as-written.
coder543 3y ago
> you pay a fee per connector Hmm, going to have to put a [citation needed] on that. I do not believe that is true at all. Organizations that wish to use the USB logo and have a vendor ID will likely pay an annual fee and devices must undergo certification[0], but not on a per-device or per-connector basis. I've never heard of USB charging a fee per connector. [0]: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/450497 https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/450497

nmca 3y ago

I've had my last four phones get issues due to usb-c. The standardization is worth it, but goddman I wish they had standardized on a better physical port.

Steltek 3y ago
This is unquestionably the best physical port. The port you want does not exist. Find me a connector that does everything USB-C can do. High speeds. High power charging. Alt modes. Mobile friendly size. Lightning is good for the meager feature set that iPhones support. It is absolutely awful for everyone else that is used to a vast, feature rich ecosystem.
- mwint 3y ago
  My iPhone 14 charges fast enough. Any file transfers go over airdrop, which is fast enough. The port is smaller than USB-C. I can clean it by rummaging around in it with a toothpick and not worrying about breaking stuff. USB-C is an unambiguous downgrade for me, and I wish they had just welded an adapter into the port for EU customers.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Why does it have to do simply everything? What's that saying? Jack of all trades, master of none? The "meager" support that lightning supports means it's better suited for things that go in pockets where lint lives, than usb-c ever could be. That it's not an open standard is a problem, but let's be honest that it does have advantages over usb-c.
  - ianburrell 3y ago
    Lightning only support USB2 data speeds. The iPad Pro or iPhone 15 Pro have USB3 data speeds because of USB-C (iPhone 15 only does USB2). People don't plug in their phones much, but it makes a big difference for the initial transfer. The Lightning AV adapter is limited speed to resolution it can support. The iPhone 15 supports 4K with USB-C. The advantage of USB-C that can use the same connector for your headphones, phone, to computer. You can use one charger and cables. The cables and adapters have multiple sources instead of just Apple.

swamp40 3y ago

They fail constantly in cheap Chromebooks. And then there is no other way to charge the laptop, so it is junk unless you get inside and replace it.

keep_reading 3y ago

> Apple had plenty of opportunities to be involved in the development of USB C (they are on the forum). They are actively involved. That's how Thunderbolt 3 and 4 exist and use USB-C connectors

guilhas 3y ago

Had 3 Pixels, all with slightly loose USB-C, needing to adjust the charger up and down, or even buying a new cable