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I think this is a bizarre take. We have no “right” to anything. We’re just sentient sacks of meat and flesh. If self-driving takes over, fine we can spend our

I think this is a bizarre take. We have no “right” to anything. We’re just sentient sacks of meat and flesh. If self-driving takes over, fine we can spend our time doing something else. It’s like saying, if mass produced food takes over and we no longer have to hunt we’re useless and redundant. It just means something we used to do we no longer have to, so instead I can spend more time ranting on HN or something.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > so instead I can spend more time ranting on HN or something Bizzarre, I spend time on here so that I earn myself enough intellectual, cultural and frankly financial cushion that I don't have to set foot here anymore and spend my time driving and riding all sorts of vehicles in all sorts of wild places blessed by Natural beauty. Nothing against you guys but some experiences are superior to others and I think that in general every person should face societal domestication as a stepping stone towards going into the wild with enough means (vehicles, equipment etc.) to conquer it. I honestly believe that the ability to drive a car or ride a motorcycle is the only thing keeping people from snapping and violently rebel against the societal domestication in place today. > > if mass produced food takes over and we no longer have to hunt we’re useless and redundant This is exactly what is happening, the marginal utility of a human has never been lower than it is today, thanks to automation, mechanization etc. It's undeniable.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > in general every person should face societal domestication as a stepping stone towards going into the wild with enough means (vehicles, equipment etc.) to conquer it. That's what we as a society have been doing for a long time, and it's a huge part of why we're losing our wild spaces. I'm very much an outdoors person, but I object to the notion of "conquering" it or bringing vehicles, equipment, etc. into it. Doing that destroys the value of the outdoors.
- geophph 3y ago
  > driving and riding all sorts of vehicles in all sorts of wild places blessed by Natural beauty. Others likely view this as making those places no longer wild nor Natural. > going into the wild with enough means (vehicles, equipment etc.) to conquer it. > the marginal utility of a human has never been lower than it is today, thanks to automation, mechanization etc. I'm not sure I see how these two statements don't directly contradict each other? I read this as 1) try to amass all the things you can to conquer nature but 2) a reliance on things makes humans less useful?
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    > > Others likely view this as making those places no longer wild nor Natural. When I say conquering it I don't mean pouring concrete or going there with RVs. I mean a small helicopter, a deltawing, a dirt bike, an ATV, a MTB etc. Stuff that is easily movable and nimble and that doesn't necessary require a road and would leave no trace of its passage. > > a reliance on things makes humans less useful? Absolutely, once upon a time every place was wild and dominated by Nature, hence those who wanted to measure themselves against Her only had to come out of their cave and it would be game on. Nowadays you need vehicles to reach wild areas because everywhere is populated by humans who have domesticated everything including themselves.
- vunderba 3y ago
  "This is exactly what is happening, the marginal utility of a human has never been lower than it is today, thanks to automation, mechanization etc. It's undeniable." Every generation draws this modern day pseudo-intellectual transcendalist arbitrary line in the sand.
syndicatedjelly 3y ago
> I think this is a bizarre take. We have no “right” to anything. We’re just sentient sacks of meat and flesh. Nihilism is the real killer here
- geophph 3y ago
  Or incredibly freeing?
  - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
    Nihilism tends to turn people into observers of life, rather than participants. It can lead to a lot of regret down the road

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

> > so instead I can spend more time ranting on HN or something Bizzarre, I spend time on here so that I earn myself enough intellectual, cultural and frankly financial cushion that I don't have to set foot here anymore and spend my time driving and riding all sorts of vehicles in all sorts of wild places blessed by Natural beauty. Nothing against you guys but some experiences are superior to others and I think that in general every person should face societal domestication as a stepping stone towards going into the wild with enough means (vehicles, equipment etc.) to conquer it. I honestly believe that the ability to drive a car or ride a motorcycle is the only thing keeping people from snapping and violently rebel against the societal domestication in place today. > > if mass produced food takes over and we no longer have to hunt we’re useless and redundant This is exactly what is happening, the marginal utility of a human has never been lower than it is today, thanks to automation, mechanization etc. It's undeniable.

JohnFen 3y ago
> in general every person should face societal domestication as a stepping stone towards going into the wild with enough means (vehicles, equipment etc.) to conquer it. That's what we as a society have been doing for a long time, and it's a huge part of why we're losing our wild spaces. I'm very much an outdoors person, but I object to the notion of "conquering" it or bringing vehicles, equipment, etc. into it. Doing that destroys the value of the outdoors.
geophph 3y ago
> driving and riding all sorts of vehicles in all sorts of wild places blessed by Natural beauty. Others likely view this as making those places no longer wild nor Natural. > going into the wild with enough means (vehicles, equipment etc.) to conquer it. > the marginal utility of a human has never been lower than it is today, thanks to automation, mechanization etc. I'm not sure I see how these two statements don't directly contradict each other? I read this as 1) try to amass all the things you can to conquer nature but 2) a reliance on things makes humans less useful?
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > Others likely view this as making those places no longer wild nor Natural. When I say conquering it I don't mean pouring concrete or going there with RVs. I mean a small helicopter, a deltawing, a dirt bike, an ATV, a MTB etc. Stuff that is easily movable and nimble and that doesn't necessary require a road and would leave no trace of its passage. > > a reliance on things makes humans less useful? Absolutely, once upon a time every place was wild and dominated by Nature, hence those who wanted to measure themselves against Her only had to come out of their cave and it would be game on. Nowadays you need vehicles to reach wild areas because everywhere is populated by humans who have domesticated everything including themselves.
vunderba 3y ago
"This is exactly what is happening, the marginal utility of a human has never been lower than it is today, thanks to automation, mechanization etc. It's undeniable." Every generation draws this modern day pseudo-intellectual transcendalist arbitrary line in the sand.

syndicatedjelly 3y ago

> I think this is a bizarre take. We have no “right” to anything. We’re just sentient sacks of meat and flesh. Nihilism is the real killer here

geophph 3y ago
Or incredibly freeing?
- syndicatedjelly 3y ago
  Nihilism tends to turn people into observers of life, rather than participants. It can lead to a lot of regret down the road