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Do you think a person who was opposed to their technology being used by Israel to kill Palestinians would be arrested on treason. Even if you think they would b

Do you think a person who was opposed to their technology being used by Israel to kill Palestinians would be arrested on treason. Even if you think they would be arrested, would you be in favor of it, or do you just hold this view with Ukraine?

justinclift 3y ago
Please stop with the Israel stuff. That's a very complicated situation that has been going on for a very long time. It's not a useful comparison to Ukraine defending itself from an invader. Repeatedly trying to introduce Israel here just sounds (to me) like you're arguing in bad faith.
- ImJamal 3y ago
  >That's a very complicated situation that has been going on for a very long time. So is the Russia / Ukraine situation. They have been fighting for more than 300 years. Russia even annexed Crimea in the 1700s. The idea that it is not long or complicated seems erroneous to me. History didn't start when you were born. >It's not a useful comparison to Ukraine defending itself from an invader. Repeatedly trying to introduce Israel here just sounds (to me) like you're arguing in bad faith. The problem is both Israel and Ukraine consider themselves as being on the defensive. Israel is trying to retake the land they controlled a few thousand years ago while Ukraine is trying to retake land they controlled a couple decades ago. At what point is it no longer your land? You probably don't think Israel has a legitimate claim over Palestine so obviously 2500 years ago is too much. The Kievan Rus (ancestors to Ukraine) took Ukraine in 1037 so you obviously don't think the people who controlled Ukraine prior to them are the legitimate owners of the land. You think Ukraine should control Crimea so 20 years ago is legitimate. At what point is the cut off? 50 years? 100? If Russia controls Crimea for that long would you say Russia is the legitimate ruler? My issue with this whole argument is that people don't have any underlying principles on which they are forming their views. It is strictly emotional. If somebody shouldn't be forced to offensively support Israel than they shouldn't be forced to offensively support Ukraine. The only difference is the time frame.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    You're clearly not interested in an honest discussion, so I'm stopping here.

justinclift 3y ago

Please stop with the Israel stuff. That's a very complicated situation that has been going on for a very long time. It's not a useful comparison to Ukraine defending itself from an invader. Repeatedly trying to introduce Israel here just sounds (to me) like you're arguing in bad faith.

ImJamal 3y ago
>That's a very complicated situation that has been going on for a very long time. So is the Russia / Ukraine situation. They have been fighting for more than 300 years. Russia even annexed Crimea in the 1700s. The idea that it is not long or complicated seems erroneous to me. History didn't start when you were born. >It's not a useful comparison to Ukraine defending itself from an invader. Repeatedly trying to introduce Israel here just sounds (to me) like you're arguing in bad faith. The problem is both Israel and Ukraine consider themselves as being on the defensive. Israel is trying to retake the land they controlled a few thousand years ago while Ukraine is trying to retake land they controlled a couple decades ago. At what point is it no longer your land? You probably don't think Israel has a legitimate claim over Palestine so obviously 2500 years ago is too much. The Kievan Rus (ancestors to Ukraine) took Ukraine in 1037 so you obviously don't think the people who controlled Ukraine prior to them are the legitimate owners of the land. You think Ukraine should control Crimea so 20 years ago is legitimate. At what point is the cut off? 50 years? 100? If Russia controls Crimea for that long would you say Russia is the legitimate ruler? My issue with this whole argument is that people don't have any underlying principles on which they are forming their views. It is strictly emotional. If somebody shouldn't be forced to offensively support Israel than they shouldn't be forced to offensively support Ukraine. The only difference is the time frame.
- justinclift 3y ago
  You're clearly not interested in an honest discussion, so I'm stopping here.