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It's hard to believe all this creative writing talent is being wasted on making up excuses for a billionaire man child.

ImJamal 3y ago
I'm just annoyed of people always assuming the worst in people. Musk is a pubic enemy so anything he does or says is bad. It is just so tiring. Every day on the front page of HN there is Musk hate. Look, I'm not a fan of Musk, but I don't need to see this kind of crap every single day here. I would do this for somebody who was a billion dollars in debt. I don't care about their wealth or lack of maturity or anything of the sort. I just want people to stop picking the bad guys and constantly picking apart every thing they do. All it is doing is dividing us. We should come together where we agree. Musk supports using Starlink in defensive actions and it sounds like you do as well. Great, let's build on that instead of tearing each other down.
- stephenr 3y ago
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  - ImJamal 3y ago
    >That's the problem though - having your own special definition of "defensive actions" makes the whole sentence meaningless. To suggest going on an offensive is not an offensive is ridiculous. Ukraine has been talking about a spring offensive for months. Last I checked a spring offensive is an offensive not a defensive. You can't seem to separate a defensive war with offensive actions within the war. Not all actions within a defensive war are defense. I agree with you that the distinction in this case is arbitrary and dumb. Musk at least claims it is not. The Ukrainians agreed to Musk's distinction so they should keep their word or renegotiate with him. >The US Government has been very clear that they don't condone Ukrainians using NATO-supplied weapons to make attacks into Russia. That's a common-sense definition of "offensive" - doing something to attack the opponent on "their side". To be clear, since you are seemingly assuming a massive amount about my positions, I fully agree with you here. I am just trying to explain what position Musk is taking. I think taking back the land you lost is fine and still part of an overall defensive war. It is an offensive action, but part of an overall defensive war. >But this whole thing was about Crimea. Crimea is part of Ukraine, despite what Russians and Putin's fanboys have spouted for the last 9 years. OK? Not sure your point. Going on an offensive to recapture the land you lost is still an offensive. >This phrase gets used so much by one crowd, it's almost like you're wearing a red MAGA cap. >The idea of course is genius. Make people feel bad for standing up for what they believe in, by guilting them into believing that it's better to support insurrectionists, racists, homophobes, etc - whatever shit-bird ideals the American Right has put on display that day, if you argue that they're a shit-bird, the instant response is "this is dividing us". You need to touch grass and get off the internet for a month. Please go outside and talk to the average person. And no I'm not talking about some San Franciscans, but normal and average everyday people. Most people are absolutely tired of all of this bickering. They just want people to get along and don't give a shit about all this. The average person would be sick if they saw you basically accusing me of being a racist and a homophobe even though I said nothing of the sort. You are destroying this country with your stupid shit.
    - stephenr 3y ago
      > You are destroying this country with your stupid shit. Literally zero surprise that you assume anyone with an internet connection is a fucking American.
      - dang 3y ago
        Could you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN and please particularly avoid tit-for-tat spats like this? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We want curious conversation here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
      - ImJamal 3y ago
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        dang 3y ago
        You started a hellish flamewar in this thread and then fueled it repeatedly. Please don't do this on HN, and please particularly avoid tit-for-tat spats like this. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We want curious conversation here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        stephenr 3y ago
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        ImJamal 3y ago
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        stephenr 3y ago

I'm just annoyed of people always assuming the worst in people. Musk is a pubic enemy so anything he does or says is bad. It is just so tiring. Every day on the front page of HN there is Musk hate. Look, I'm not a fan of Musk, but I don't need to see this kind of crap every single day here. I would do this for somebody who was a billion dollars in debt. I don't care about their wealth or lack of maturity or anything of the sort. I just want people to stop picking the bad guys and constantly picking apart every thing they do. All it is doing is dividing us. We should come together where we agree. Musk supports using Starlink in defensive actions and it sounds like you do as well. Great, let's build on that instead of tearing each other down.

stephenr 3y ago
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- ImJamal 3y ago
  >That's the problem though - having your own special definition of "defensive actions" makes the whole sentence meaningless. To suggest going on an offensive is not an offensive is ridiculous. Ukraine has been talking about a spring offensive for months. Last I checked a spring offensive is an offensive not a defensive. You can't seem to separate a defensive war with offensive actions within the war. Not all actions within a defensive war are defense. I agree with you that the distinction in this case is arbitrary and dumb. Musk at least claims it is not. The Ukrainians agreed to Musk's distinction so they should keep their word or renegotiate with him. >The US Government has been very clear that they don't condone Ukrainians using NATO-supplied weapons to make attacks into Russia. That's a common-sense definition of "offensive" - doing something to attack the opponent on "their side". To be clear, since you are seemingly assuming a massive amount about my positions, I fully agree with you here. I am just trying to explain what position Musk is taking. I think taking back the land you lost is fine and still part of an overall defensive war. It is an offensive action, but part of an overall defensive war. >But this whole thing was about Crimea. Crimea is part of Ukraine, despite what Russians and Putin's fanboys have spouted for the last 9 years. OK? Not sure your point. Going on an offensive to recapture the land you lost is still an offensive. >This phrase gets used so much by one crowd, it's almost like you're wearing a red MAGA cap. >The idea of course is genius. Make people feel bad for standing up for what they believe in, by guilting them into believing that it's better to support insurrectionists, racists, homophobes, etc - whatever shit-bird ideals the American Right has put on display that day, if you argue that they're a shit-bird, the instant response is "this is dividing us". You need to touch grass and get off the internet for a month. Please go outside and talk to the average person. And no I'm not talking about some San Franciscans, but normal and average everyday people. Most people are absolutely tired of all of this bickering. They just want people to get along and don't give a shit about all this. The average person would be sick if they saw you basically accusing me of being a racist and a homophobe even though I said nothing of the sort. You are destroying this country with your stupid shit.
  - stephenr 3y ago
    > You are destroying this country with your stupid shit. Literally zero surprise that you assume anyone with an internet connection is a fucking American.
    - dang 3y ago
      Could you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN and please particularly avoid tit-for-tat spats like this? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We want curious conversation here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
    - ImJamal 3y ago
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      - dang 3y ago
        You started a hellish flamewar in this thread and then fueled it repeatedly. Please don't do this on HN, and please particularly avoid tit-for-tat spats like this. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We want curious conversation here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
      - stephenr 3y ago
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