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> Of course that creates the possibility of a two-tier internet where EU customers simply don't get access to products this has already happened. google’s bard

by kmlx 3y ago

> Of course that creates the possibility of a two-tier internet where EU customers simply don't get access to products this has already happened. google’s bard took it’s time to launch in europe. the young kid in me that always thought we finally have a piece of tech that is beyond what politicians can control, that transcend borders and nationalities is saddened. but it is what it is, and without some breakthroughs (a system that cannot be controlled, censored etc by design) i don’t think there’s going back.

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rsynnott 3y ago
Oh, huh, I actually didn't realise Bard _had_ launched here. > without some breakthroughs (a system that cannot be controlled, censored etc by design) This isn't really a technical issue; some small criminal entity could run an AI bot on Tor (or even, realistically, on the open internet) which forwarded all your personal data directly to the North Korean government and the Mafia or whatever, and realistically they'd get away with that. But if there's a large company behind the service, then that company is going to have to _obey the law_, and no amount of technology will change that.
- kmlx 3y ago
  > But if there's a large company behind the service, then that company is going to have to _obey the law_, and no amount of technology will change that. i agree on the first part. but that second part could probably also be reinvented by new tech, futuristically speaking.
bad_user 3y ago
It's very naive to think that the Internet can transcend in any way law enforcement. You may have distributed protocols and crypto, but the state has a monopoly on violence, it controls all infrastructure, and therefore can control all inputs and outputs. You can't change the world just with technology, as society is a "social construct". And if people want regulation, that's what they are going to get. Speaking of EU's data protection regulations, it's funny because many people here claim that it doesn't work, and then are shocked to see that it does. For what is worth, I think EU's data protections are a good thing. Big Tech acted irresponsibly for too long.
- kmlx 3y ago
  > It's very naive to think that the Internet can transcend in any way law enforcement. agree, it is naive. but for a while it did feel liberating to a lot of people.
mackrevinack 3y ago
"a system that cannot be controlled, censored" sounds like the Safe Network! too bad it will never be finished in our lifetimes

by kmlx 3y ago

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rsynnott 3y ago

Oh, huh, I actually didn't realise Bard _had_ launched here. > without some breakthroughs (a system that cannot be controlled, censored etc by design) This isn't really a technical issue; some small criminal entity could run an AI bot on Tor (or even, realistically, on the open internet) which forwarded all your personal data directly to the North Korean government and the Mafia or whatever, and realistically they'd get away with that. But if there's a large company behind the service, then that company is going to have to _obey the law_, and no amount of technology will change that.

kmlx 3y ago
> But if there's a large company behind the service, then that company is going to have to _obey the law_, and no amount of technology will change that. i agree on the first part. but that second part could probably also be reinvented by new tech, futuristically speaking.

bad_user 3y ago

It's very naive to think that the Internet can transcend in any way law enforcement. You may have distributed protocols and crypto, but the state has a monopoly on violence, it controls all infrastructure, and therefore can control all inputs and outputs. You can't change the world just with technology, as society is a "social construct". And if people want regulation, that's what they are going to get. Speaking of EU's data protection regulations, it's funny because many people here claim that it doesn't work, and then are shocked to see that it does. For what is worth, I think EU's data protections are a good thing. Big Tech acted irresponsibly for too long.

kmlx 3y ago
> It's very naive to think that the Internet can transcend in any way law enforcement. agree, it is naive. but for a while it did feel liberating to a lot of people.

mackrevinack 3y ago

"a system that cannot be controlled, censored" sounds like the Safe Network! too bad it will never be finished in our lifetimes