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> Are you saying we don't have land? Are you saying we should pour concrete over land as long as there's land remaining? Let's try to have a more nuanced discu

> Are you saying we don't have land? Are you saying we should pour concrete over land as long as there's land remaining? Let's try to have a more nuanced discussion perhaps > Or that we don't need money? The opposite, dedicating space to park 5 cars some of the time instead of 100 people living is the waste of money here. This doesn't even take into account damage to the planet from spreading people all over it > Fitting 100 people in the space of 5 cars sounds a lot worse, not better Only if you make it bad, I've seen some comfy skyscrapers

trimethylpurine 3y ago
>Are you saying we should pour concrete over land as long as there's land remaining? Let's try to have a more nuanced discussion perhaps Here's nuance. The entire population of the world could live in Texas with an American quality of life. A back yard and a lawn, a 2 car garage, etc. And that's just Texas. Where are you from? >The opposite, dedicating space to park 5 cars some of the time instead of 100 people living is the waste of money here. This doesn't even take into account damage to the planet from spreading people all over it. This doesn't damage the planet. Building skyscrapers to line pockets of bankers so they can build so close together that trees and crops can't grow in the surrounding area is damaging. >Only if you make it bad, I've seen some comfy skyscrapers. Really? Did they keep chickens and goats in their apartment? Did they plant forests in their balcony?
- throwaway290 3y ago
  > The entire population of the world could live in Texas with an American quality of life Yeah. Everyone would have sub 90 sq meters of space for everything, and there would be zero space for any sort of forest, park, a shopping mall or any roads for all those 8 billion cars. People would have to have drone deliveries for everything because roads would be gridlocked with all those cars and you won't get anywhere anyway. And better wear PPE mask outside at all times. Is that American lifestyle? > Crops can't grow If you spread 100 families on surface and give everyone 90 sq meters, that's all gone area for crops. Add infrastructure, electricity, piping, roads and junctions to handle private traffic. Add maintenance. But if you stack em vertically in the space of a medium sized parking lot the remaining space is all crops or trees or whatever. > Did they keep chickens and goats in their apartment? Sounds like animal cruelty to me > Did they plant forests in their balcony? No but a forest is available within walking distance. In your ideal world really no one leaves their designated box for a healthy daily walk? Ah right, I forgot about 6 lanes of traffic to cross.
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  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    695,620 km2 It sounds like you might need some help with the math. Do you?
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      Do you need help taking area of TX and dividing by world population? gosh
      - trimethylpurine 3y ago
        Why would you do that? Are you planning to use the extreme example that I used to show how much EXTRA land would be available outside of Texas to actually suggest that we all move there? That wouldn't further your point much, would it?
        throwaway290 3y ago
        Yeah I am also trying to understand why you gave your extreme example, it doesn't help your point but it helps mine. If you put the entire planet population in the area of TX but build tall, people would live in better comfort than if you make it one large suburbia.
        trimethylpurine 3y ago
        The extreme example shows that there is practically infinite land. And that having trees, grass, and nature between dwellings is far superior for the environment. Why you would want to destroy that unless you're an evil bank investor is not explained in your commentary. You don't seem to have a real point other than you poke fun at the example, as if you didn't understand it. But I know you did. You just don't want to admit it, obviously.

trimethylpurine 3y ago

>Are you saying we should pour concrete over land as long as there's land remaining? Let's try to have a more nuanced discussion perhaps Here's nuance. The entire population of the world could live in Texas with an American quality of life. A back yard and a lawn, a 2 car garage, etc. And that's just Texas. Where are you from? >The opposite, dedicating space to park 5 cars some of the time instead of 100 people living is the waste of money here. This doesn't even take into account damage to the planet from spreading people all over it. This doesn't damage the planet. Building skyscrapers to line pockets of bankers so they can build so close together that trees and crops can't grow in the surrounding area is damaging. >Only if you make it bad, I've seen some comfy skyscrapers. Really? Did they keep chickens and goats in their apartment? Did they plant forests in their balcony?

throwaway290 3y ago
> The entire population of the world could live in Texas with an American quality of life Yeah. Everyone would have sub 90 sq meters of space for everything, and there would be zero space for any sort of forest, park, a shopping mall or any roads for all those 8 billion cars. People would have to have drone deliveries for everything because roads would be gridlocked with all those cars and you won't get anywhere anyway. And better wear PPE mask outside at all times. Is that American lifestyle? > Crops can't grow If you spread 100 families on surface and give everyone 90 sq meters, that's all gone area for crops. Add infrastructure, electricity, piping, roads and junctions to handle private traffic. Add maintenance. But if you stack em vertically in the space of a medium sized parking lot the remaining space is all crops or trees or whatever. > Did they keep chickens and goats in their apartment? Sounds like animal cruelty to me > Did they plant forests in their balcony? No but a forest is available within walking distance. In your ideal world really no one leaves their designated box for a healthy daily walk? Ah right, I forgot about 6 lanes of traffic to cross.
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- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  695,620 km2 It sounds like you might need some help with the math. Do you?
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Do you need help taking area of TX and dividing by world population? gosh
    - trimethylpurine 3y ago
      Why would you do that? Are you planning to use the extreme example that I used to show how much EXTRA land would be available outside of Texas to actually suggest that we all move there? That wouldn't further your point much, would it?
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        Yeah I am also trying to understand why you gave your extreme example, it doesn't help your point but it helps mine. If you put the entire planet population in the area of TX but build tall, people would live in better comfort than if you make it one large suburbia.
        trimethylpurine 3y ago
        The extreme example shows that there is practically infinite land. And that having trees, grass, and nature between dwellings is far superior for the environment. Why you would want to destroy that unless you're an evil bank investor is not explained in your commentary. You don't seem to have a real point other than you poke fun at the example, as if you didn't understand it. But I know you did. You just don't want to admit it, obviously.