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I don't get your argument. On an area that barely fits 5 cars and is not large enough for ramps and multi story parking you can build a skyscraper housing a hun
by throwaway290 3y ago
I don't get your argument. On an area that barely fits 5 cars and is not large enough for ramps and multi story parking you can build a skyscraper housing a hundred of people in comfort. So?
> Why is it surprising that there’s more cheap to build car parking
By that logic it would be cheaper not to build anything, so why is something built in the first place?
A hundred people in the space of 5 cars is unmeasurably better for the economy. Workforce, consumers, etc. If 2 of them open craft coffeeshops next door 98 of them won't need to go somewhere to get a nice drink, and so on. Once you don't need to cross 6 lanes on foot all sorts of possibilities open. Proximity is benefit multiplier at the same time reducing ecofootprint
- catiopatio 3y agoYou could, but that would cost several orders of magnitude more than a patch of asphalt for parking. Why is it surprising that there’s more cheap-to-build car parking than there is expensive-to-build housing?
- CalRobert 3y agoParking can be very expensive to build. This is a great thread on that. https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/6lvwh4/im_an_architect_in_la_specializing_in_multifamily/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/6lvwh4/im_an_ar...
- trimethylpurine 3y agoThis is interesting, but it's referring to a very small amount of parking space. Certainly not more than living space.
- CalRobert 3y agoParking is a very substantial portion of the space. " So not only is 32% of your apartment just for your car and otherwise useless, but its also by far the most expensive part of that apartment to build." in the example linked, for reference.
- trimethylpurine 3y agoThis is irrelevant. Expensive* parking isn't a significant portion. And the amount of space doesn't matter when the space is not limited.
- trimethylpurine 3y agoI don't understand your argument. Are you saying we don't have land? Or that we don't need money? Fitting 100 people in the space of 5 cars sounds a lot worse, not better. Everything you've listed sounds horrible to me. Tight shoulder to shoulder walks smelling each other's farts and bad cooking is a step backwards. If you want that, that's fine, there's plenty of land available to do that with. Go do that. It's obviously not popular or we would be doing that.
- bagels 3y agoWorse than angry people living on the sidewalk and the margins of freeways?
- trimethylpurine 3y agoTight housing didn't solve that. In fact, everywhere there's a homeless camp happens to be right where there is tight housing. Because the corporations building your dream community of prison block housing is still charging a lot for it. It's not creating more housing for the poor. That's just what the developers' marketing agency told you. Housing shortages have nothing to do with land shortages. They have everything to do with banking and mental healthcare.
- notahacker 3y agoThe angry people living on the sidewalk aren't there because parking lots are stopping them from building skyscrapers though
- throwaway290 3y agoDepends on how affordable housing would be in those skyscrapers
- notahacker 3y agoIf you have an engineering solution that can build skyscrapers on begging income, land prices aren't going to hold you back from being a billionaire...
- WeylandYutani 3y agoI was in Amsterdam a few days back and decided to take a look at the new automatic underground parking. When land is expensive enough efficiency finds a way.