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This is trying to sound dystopian, but it fails because car storage is not suitable for housing. We also have more square footage of sidewalks than dwellings. S

This is trying to sound dystopian, but it fails because car storage is not suitable for housing. We also have more square footage of sidewalks than dwellings. So?

_dain_ 3y ago
The land on which car storage is built is suitable for housing to be built on it instead.
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  There is no shortage of land in the US. Have you ever been here?
  - pjc50 3y ago
    There is within commuting radius of the places that pay well, though.
    - trimethylpurine 3y ago
      Learn to code and don't commute. And don't accept offers that force you to. The commute lifestyle is allowed because we allow it.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        If I assume that remote work is as productive as in-office[0], then everyone in this position is now competing with worldwide [1] labour market. Same applies to all office jobs. Even to physical labour, if we have robot telepresence[2]. [0] IDK, might be? [1] Or at least +/- a time zone or three. [2] AI-on-the-edge robotics probably ends those things as human work opportunities.
        trimethylpurine 3y ago
        You're exactly right. And that's why over 100k developers were recently terminated while foreign labor was hired. But don't feel too bad for them. Many were already immigrants from India and other countries who are simply giving their countrymen a chance to also gain entrance to the American market. The same chance they had to undercut someone else's pay. Capitalism at its finest.
    - trimethylpurine 3y ago
      There's also a question of subjectivity here. Do you want to commute or live in a small expensive dwelling? Those are choices, neither of which have any bearing on connecting parking space with homelessness. Those are simply unrelated facts.
    - CalRobert 3y ago
      All the more reason to convert parking in to housing near jobs.
      - trimethylpurine 3y ago
        That wouldn't solve anything. The housing would simply cost too much to live near and you'd still need a car to leave the residential areas which are not near work areas even in downtown neighborhoods. My commute to work downtown is actually shorter from the suburbs than it was when I lived and worked downtown. Public transit was over an hour to go just 5 miles from the east side to the skyscrapers. Now I'm 30 miles away and my commute is under 40 minutes. You can't just put a blanket on the subject and claim victory. I think someone above mentioned nuance.
throwaway290 3y ago
I don't get your argument. On an area that barely fits 5 cars and is not large enough for ramps and multi story parking you can build a skyscraper housing a hundred of people in comfort. So? > Why is it surprising that there’s more cheap to build car parking By that logic it would be cheaper not to build anything, so why is something built in the first place? A hundred people in the space of 5 cars is unmeasurably better for the economy. Workforce, consumers, etc. If 2 of them open craft coffeeshops next door 98 of them won't need to go somewhere to get a nice drink, and so on. Once you don't need to cross 6 lanes on foot all sorts of possibilities open. Proximity is benefit multiplier at the same time reducing ecofootprint
- catiopatio 3y ago
  You could, but that would cost several orders of magnitude more than a patch of asphalt for parking. Why is it surprising that there’s more cheap-to-build car parking than there is expensive-to-build housing?
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    Parking can be very expensive to build. This is a great thread on that. https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/6lvwh4/im_an_architect_in_la_specializing_in_multifamily/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/6lvwh4/im_an_ar...
    - trimethylpurine 3y ago
      This is interesting, but it's referring to a very small amount of parking space. Certainly not more than living space.
      - CalRobert 3y ago
        Parking is a very substantial portion of the space. " So not only is 32% of your apartment just for your car and otherwise useless, but its also by far the most expensive part of that apartment to build." in the example linked, for reference.

This is trying to sound dystopian, but it fails because car storage is not suitable for housing. We also have more square footage of sidewalks than dwellings. So?

_dain_ 3y ago

The land on which car storage is built is suitable for housing to be built on it instead.

trimethylpurine 3y ago
There is no shortage of land in the US. Have you ever been here?
- pjc50 3y ago
  There is within commuting radius of the places that pay well, though.
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    Learn to code and don't commute. And don't accept offers that force you to. The commute lifestyle is allowed because we allow it.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      If I assume that remote work is as productive as in-office[0], then everyone in this position is now competing with worldwide [1] labour market. Same applies to all office jobs. Even to physical labour, if we have robot telepresence[2]. [0] IDK, might be? [1] Or at least +/- a time zone or three. [2] AI-on-the-edge robotics probably ends those things as human work opportunities.
      - trimethylpurine 3y ago
        You're exactly right. And that's why over 100k developers were recently terminated while foreign labor was hired. But don't feel too bad for them. Many were already immigrants from India and other countries who are simply giving their countrymen a chance to also gain entrance to the American market. The same chance they had to undercut someone else's pay. Capitalism at its finest.
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    There's also a question of subjectivity here. Do you want to commute or live in a small expensive dwelling? Those are choices, neither of which have any bearing on connecting parking space with homelessness. Those are simply unrelated facts.
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    All the more reason to convert parking in to housing near jobs.
    - trimethylpurine 3y ago
      That wouldn't solve anything. The housing would simply cost too much to live near and you'd still need a car to leave the residential areas which are not near work areas even in downtown neighborhoods. My commute to work downtown is actually shorter from the suburbs than it was when I lived and worked downtown. Public transit was over an hour to go just 5 miles from the east side to the skyscrapers. Now I'm 30 miles away and my commute is under 40 minutes. You can't just put a blanket on the subject and claim victory. I think someone above mentioned nuance.

throwaway290 3y ago

I don't get your argument. On an area that barely fits 5 cars and is not large enough for ramps and multi story parking you can build a skyscraper housing a hundred of people in comfort. So? > Why is it surprising that there’s more cheap to build car parking By that logic it would be cheaper not to build anything, so why is something built in the first place? A hundred people in the space of 5 cars is unmeasurably better for the economy. Workforce, consumers, etc. If 2 of them open craft coffeeshops next door 98 of them won't need to go somewhere to get a nice drink, and so on. Once you don't need to cross 6 lanes on foot all sorts of possibilities open. Proximity is benefit multiplier at the same time reducing ecofootprint

catiopatio 3y ago
You could, but that would cost several orders of magnitude more than a patch of asphalt for parking. Why is it surprising that there’s more cheap-to-build car parking than there is expensive-to-build housing?
- CalRobert 3y ago
  Parking can be very expensive to build. This is a great thread on that. https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/6lvwh4/im_an_architect_in_la_specializing_in_multifamily/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/6lvwh4/im_an_ar...
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    This is interesting, but it's referring to a very small amount of parking space. Certainly not more than living space.
    - CalRobert 3y ago
      Parking is a very substantial portion of the space. " So not only is 32% of your apartment just for your car and otherwise useless, but its also by far the most expensive part of that apartment to build." in the example linked, for reference.