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Quite definitely a personal story. I'm trying to illustrate the diverse lifestyles out there in margin of USAistan that aren't going to convert cleanly. > majo

Quite definitely a personal story. I'm trying to illustrate the diverse lifestyles out there in margin of USAistan that aren't going to convert cleanly. > majority of drivers I definitely moved to a small town with boundless access to outdoor recreation because the standard-issue American lifestyle doesn't appeal. I caution you against endorsing technologies and social structuring programs that further the monocropping of humans (but I freely admit that this is a stony crypto/anarcho/discordian philosophical bent).

vel0city 3y ago
It seems to me, depending on the town and where I live geographically around it, I might still find having an EV to still be easier than an ICE. If you're like 50 miles outside of the nearest town, you often don't have many options for getting gas. Depending on how things are, it could be a bit of a hassle. If most of the amenities you're going to visit (the trails and what not) are within around 100mi or so from home, the EV is going to be an easier vehicle most of the time seeing as how you can just "gas up" at home instead of potentially having to make a long trip into town. And speaking from a self-reliance mindset, wouldn't being able to fuel your vehicle with energy you can produce off-grid be even more anarcho instead of being reliant on massive global supply chains to get your weekly/biweekly fix? But I do get it, if you're routinely driving >100mi deep trips into the wilderness its not reasonable to have an EV. Currently. Maybe things will be better in a decade, maybe they won't. I imagine the world will look a good bit different in this regard in a decade. It definitely all varies based on where you are and what you need. I'm definitely not one to argue all vehicles should be EVs, I do think people should be able to make the decisions which are ultimately right for them. You actually do pull a boat to the lake a good bit? You actually do hit up offroad trails? You take your horses around in a horse trailer? That's awesome, have fun. But I do see a good chunk of people who aren't honest with themselves about what their actual needs are, and overall it leads to sub-par outcomes for a lot of society. People driving giant pavement princess brodozers to their office jobs in dense urban areas all because there was that one time a few years ago where they helped someone move a couch and hey wasn't that just so handy. They impart a lot of negative externalities on the people around them.
- rokkitmensch 3y ago
  I hear you: infernal combustion engines produce a buttload of negative externalities. So does everything. If I could wave a magic wand and get all the normies into townhomes in walkable neighborhoods, I absolutely would (in no small part because it would get them and their nightmare mass-produced suburbs out of my daily experience). What I'm failing to convey is an opinion that homogenizing humans and their experiences is a dangerously totalitarian approach to social design. One of my favorite things about the internal combustion engine is the freedom of choice it buys pretty much everyone: an auction car is cheap, and can get you out of trouble in a pinch. To zoom out though, I suspect that we disagree fundamentally on the cornucopian/eschatonian axis tho. Even harder to reconcile than bluecult/redcult!

vel0city 3y ago

It seems to me, depending on the town and where I live geographically around it, I might still find having an EV to still be easier than an ICE. If you're like 50 miles outside of the nearest town, you often don't have many options for getting gas. Depending on how things are, it could be a bit of a hassle. If most of the amenities you're going to visit (the trails and what not) are within around 100mi or so from home, the EV is going to be an easier vehicle most of the time seeing as how you can just "gas up" at home instead of potentially having to make a long trip into town. And speaking from a self-reliance mindset, wouldn't being able to fuel your vehicle with energy you can produce off-grid be even more anarcho instead of being reliant on massive global supply chains to get your weekly/biweekly fix? But I do get it, if you're routinely driving >100mi deep trips into the wilderness its not reasonable to have an EV. Currently. Maybe things will be better in a decade, maybe they won't. I imagine the world will look a good bit different in this regard in a decade. It definitely all varies based on where you are and what you need. I'm definitely not one to argue all vehicles should be EVs, I do think people should be able to make the decisions which are ultimately right for them. You actually do pull a boat to the lake a good bit? You actually do hit up offroad trails? You take your horses around in a horse trailer? That's awesome, have fun. But I do see a good chunk of people who aren't honest with themselves about what their actual needs are, and overall it leads to sub-par outcomes for a lot of society. People driving giant pavement princess brodozers to their office jobs in dense urban areas all because there was that one time a few years ago where they helped someone move a couch and hey wasn't that just so handy. They impart a lot of negative externalities on the people around them.

rokkitmensch 3y ago
I hear you: infernal combustion engines produce a buttload of negative externalities. So does everything. If I could wave a magic wand and get all the normies into townhomes in walkable neighborhoods, I absolutely would (in no small part because it would get them and their nightmare mass-produced suburbs out of my daily experience). What I'm failing to convey is an opinion that homogenizing humans and their experiences is a dangerously totalitarian approach to social design. One of my favorite things about the internal combustion engine is the freedom of choice it buys pretty much everyone: an auction car is cheap, and can get you out of trouble in a pinch. To zoom out though, I suspect that we disagree fundamentally on the cornucopian/eschatonian axis tho. Even harder to reconcile than bluecult/redcult!