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Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. The tobacco companies said that there might be some set o

by Vecr 3y ago

Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. The tobacco companies said that there might be some set of factors that both caused lung disease, and caused smoking. As opposed to the alternate hypothesis that smoking caused lung disease. As is generally thought now, umbrellas do not cause rain but smoking does cause lung disease. Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States (the same way manufacturing machine guns without a license is for example), so if you live there don't use it. In some other places, I'd highly advise you to consider only the known benefits of using cannabis (and actually known, not something from a crappy study that you never read past the abstract or something a stoner buddy told you), and weigh that against known and potential risks of using the drug. Treat any form of smoking, including smoking cannabis, with high suspicion, as it involves inhaling large concentrations of combustion products. In conclusion, I would suggest you treat cannabis like how a rational person would treat cigarettes in the 1950s.

sandofsky 3y ago
> Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. They showed the link between smoking and cancer with a mountain of empirical evidence, including tests on mice. https://www.mskcc.org/news/how-do-cigarettes-cause-cancer https://www.mskcc.org/news/how-do-cigarettes-cause-cancer > Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States Nobody cares anymore. > I'd highly advise you to consider only the known benefits of using cannabis Sugar has no health benefits and causes way more deaths. If you want to really change the world for the better, I suggest a war on ice cream. > Treat any form of smoking, including smoking cannabis, with high suspicion, as it involves inhaling large concentrations of combustion products. Finally, we agree: consume edibles.
- Vecr 3y ago
  > They showed the link between smoking and cancer with a mountain of empirical evidence, including tests on mice. Yes, it does now. From what I've seen, people complain about how long it took for official action in labeling to take place on tobacco smoking, but it's up to them how much effort they want to put into preventing a repeat situation. For a somewhat related example, some people think the FDA puts so much effort into preventing a repeat of thalidomide that it's a net negative for the entire organization to exist at all, and suggest expanding the category of "legal but not (effectively) mandated" to include almost all proposed drugs. "Never again" is much harder and more costly than many people think, because you have to get it right (or err in the direction of preventing the type of outcome in question) every single time, but if a single thing gets through, it's all over. Make your decisions as rationally as possible. > I suggest a war on ice cream. Ice cream has some pretty funny statistics that I don't really buy as making actual sense. I'd limit usage quite heavily.
- bumby 3y ago
  >Nobody cares anymore. This really depends on the context. Note the various news articles currently going around that highlight the increased scrutiny Musk faced when he smoked weed publicly on a podcast. It’s still federally illegal and that can still come with very real consequences.
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hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States (the same way manufacturing machine guns without a license is for example), so if you live there don't use it. That's not even really true anymore. I live in Texas, which has virtually no legal weed (beyond medical marijuana for a very small number of specific conditions like epilepsy and ALS - it's not like other states where you can say "Hey doc, I've got a headache, can I get a marijuana prescription?"), and yet I can walk into a nice, clean, friendly store in a strip mall and pick up some D9 gummies and brownies, as well as some THCA bud that to me is indistinguishable from "normal" marijuana. The fact is the 2018 farm bill that legalized hemp had enough loopholes that it essentially legalized marijuana as well. While a lot of this is in a gray area (particularly in the case of THCA bud which appears to me to be a pretty blatant misrepresentation of the law, but I ain't complaining), it's clear there is no appetite anywhere to crack down on these loopholes. For example, Florida considered a bill this year that would crack down on D9 products, but there was already enough entrenched business opposition that the bill was killed. Weed is legal in the US. If you're worried about legal consequences, just pay a little more and go to a nice dispensary and you're fine.
- Vecr 3y ago
  The ATF recently (in the last few years) updated some of their forms to clarify that cannabis is still an illegal drug. In addition, while the DEA may not enforce as much as they used to, they have a clear position on the matter.
- bumby 3y ago
  Meanwhile I know people who had cbd-infused lotion as they drove through Texas and had some very expensive legal fees to avoid a felony.
mr_toad 3y ago
> Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. The tobacco companies said that there might be some set of factors that both caused lung disease, and caused smoking. Mental illness and substance use both affect/are effected by the Brain. It seems less likely that the same cause would affect both the Brain and the Lungs.

by Vecr 3y ago

sandofsky 3y ago

> Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. They showed the link between smoking and cancer with a mountain of empirical evidence, including tests on mice. https://www.mskcc.org/news/how-do-cigarettes-cause-cancer https://www.mskcc.org/news/how-do-cigarettes-cause-cancer > Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States Nobody cares anymore. > I'd highly advise you to consider only the known benefits of using cannabis Sugar has no health benefits and causes way more deaths. If you want to really change the world for the better, I suggest a war on ice cream. > Treat any form of smoking, including smoking cannabis, with high suspicion, as it involves inhaling large concentrations of combustion products. Finally, we agree: consume edibles.

Vecr 3y ago
> They showed the link between smoking and cancer with a mountain of empirical evidence, including tests on mice. Yes, it does now. From what I've seen, people complain about how long it took for official action in labeling to take place on tobacco smoking, but it's up to them how much effort they want to put into preventing a repeat situation. For a somewhat related example, some people think the FDA puts so much effort into preventing a repeat of thalidomide that it's a net negative for the entire organization to exist at all, and suggest expanding the category of "legal but not (effectively) mandated" to include almost all proposed drugs. "Never again" is much harder and more costly than many people think, because you have to get it right (or err in the direction of preventing the type of outcome in question) every single time, but if a single thing gets through, it's all over. Make your decisions as rationally as possible. > I suggest a war on ice cream. Ice cream has some pretty funny statistics that I don't really buy as making actual sense. I'd limit usage quite heavily.
bumby 3y ago
>Nobody cares anymore. This really depends on the context. Note the various news articles currently going around that highlight the increased scrutiny Musk faced when he smoked weed publicly on a podcast. It’s still federally illegal and that can still come with very real consequences.
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hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

> Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States (the same way manufacturing machine guns without a license is for example), so if you live there don't use it. That's not even really true anymore. I live in Texas, which has virtually no legal weed (beyond medical marijuana for a very small number of specific conditions like epilepsy and ALS - it's not like other states where you can say "Hey doc, I've got a headache, can I get a marijuana prescription?"), and yet I can walk into a nice, clean, friendly store in a strip mall and pick up some D9 gummies and brownies, as well as some THCA bud that to me is indistinguishable from "normal" marijuana. The fact is the 2018 farm bill that legalized hemp had enough loopholes that it essentially legalized marijuana as well. While a lot of this is in a gray area (particularly in the case of THCA bud which appears to me to be a pretty blatant misrepresentation of the law, but I ain't complaining), it's clear there is no appetite anywhere to crack down on these loopholes. For example, Florida considered a bill this year that would crack down on D9 products, but there was already enough entrenched business opposition that the bill was killed. Weed is legal in the US. If you're worried about legal consequences, just pay a little more and go to a nice dispensary and you're fine.

Vecr 3y ago
The ATF recently (in the last few years) updated some of their forms to clarify that cannabis is still an illegal drug. In addition, while the DEA may not enforce as much as they used to, they have a clear position on the matter.
bumby 3y ago
Meanwhile I know people who had cbd-infused lotion as they drove through Texas and had some very expensive legal fees to avoid a felony.

mr_toad 3y ago

> Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. The tobacco companies said that there might be some set of factors that both caused lung disease, and caused smoking. Mental illness and substance use both affect/are effected by the Brain. It seems less likely that the same cause would affect both the Brain and the Lungs.